Grab vs Pull: The Chaneleon Dilemma


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Shadow Lodge

I've been playing pathfinder/3.5 long enough to know how to read a stat block. And reading the stat block for giant chameleon, I would assume with its tongue it can either GRAB or PULL. BUT then I read the special attack description and I get confused.

Tongue (Ex)
A giant chameleon can grab a foe with its tongue and draw the victim to its mouth. This tongue attack has a reach of 15 feet. The attack does no damage, but allows the creature to grab. A giant chameleon does not gain the grappled condition while using its tongue in this manner.

So wait... it can grab AND pull? Or is this just colorful description of what the chameleon is doing when it's grabbing?

So confused... also here is the full stat block.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/animals/lizard/lizard-cha meleon-giant


The chameleon can use the 'pull' special ability with every attack not only with the tongue. Grab only works with the tongue.

Both are free actions so by RAW you can use both with the tongue (how many free actions you have is only limited by your GM).

'Pull' is a really useless ability because it only moves your enemy closer to you without any penalties (for the enemy) or benefits (for you).

Why should should you ever uses this ability ? It is fluffy .. the chameleon tries to grab his food with the tongue or at least moves it closer to his mouth.


Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

It also seems to me that the pull ability is only useful if the grapple attempt fails, since if the chameleon succeeds in grappling them they are dragged adjacent to it anyway as per the grapple rules.

Shadow Lodge

MaxAstro wrote:
It also seems to me that the pull ability is only useful if the grapple attempt fails, since if the chameleon succeeds in grappling them they are dragged adjacent to it anyway as per the grapple rules.

Oh yeah!! I completely forgot about that...


> The chameleon can use the 'pull' special ability with every attack not only with the tongue.

That is untrue. From statblock, "Special Attacks tongue, pull (tongue, 5 ft.)"

If Chameleon hits with tongue it can grab, (CM grapple). If successful target is moved adjacent. If grapple check fails, it can attempt (CM pull) to pull it 5' closer. So, it has two chances to get tasty target closer to its bite attack.


njharman wrote:

> The chameleon can use the 'pull' special ability with every attack not only with the tongue.

That is untrue. From statblock, "Special Attacks tongue, pull (tongue, 5 ft.)"
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Thanks for correction.

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