Comrade Dwarf, I watched Harley Davidson the other day because I was checking out my Xfinity On Demand and saw it listed in the Free Movies section. I thought I remembered that Comrade Kirth had talked about it once, but maybe it was you instead (your avatars both have beards). Thank you!
Madame Sissyl, you sexy minx, have I told you lately how much I love you? Sucker Punch led to the FAWTL Refugees Thread, bopped around for old times sake, decided to rewatch the ending of Genevieve (different scene linked--passes the Bechdel test at 0:20) and noticed Youtube had the entirety of another film I've been looking for for quite a while: Oh, Mr. Porter! I don't know whether it passes the Bechdel test, but I don't care, dammit!
[Covers Madame Sissyl in kisses and then goes to make some popcorn]
Hee hee!
But, alas, no, another Bechdel failure.
For Halloween week, I put down the Downton and started watching The Walking Dead, Season 3.
Which passes the Bechdel test in almost every episode, but, alas, it isn't a movie. Also, I'm so glad they finally killed [spoiler].
Also, Pogues link, for no particular reason.
The Adventures of Ford Fairlane, .
A masterpiece.
The Adventures of Ford Fairlane, .A masterpiece.
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Yes, he is. If you look at his other threads, it's quite clear that he's fundamentally a sexist Victorian who believes that women are incapable of rational thought or independent actions and therefore need to be protected and wrapped in cotton batting to keep the poor dears from getting hurt.
After the President of the United States has an affair with Carrie Fisher and then dumps her on orders from his wife Carrie becomes an outraged and vengeful woman who resorts to terrorism to assassinate the President's wife and abduct the President.
*facepalm*
Are you just incapable of giving a character a motivation that doesn't stem from sexual events or romantic rejection?
What would you like?
The She Dogs
The tale of a Matriarchy that decides to oppose male Tyranny by eliminating Vatican City, Jerusalem and Meccha with nukes. The Heroines must decide whether they should betray their fellow women by not detonating the nukes or whether a nuclear holocaust is vital to the greater good and carrying out the plan.
I'd go see that.
I'd watch it for free on cable.
Or woman with no agenda working with competent and friendly male and female coworkers, has to deal with disaster(aliens, zombies, asteroid). She does so, shows excellent leadership and does not flirt or fall in love with male or female co stars.
She has no agenda aside from being a good person... Also unless the story is about her relationship why must a woman need another person to make her successful.
A group of western college students engaged in a field study come into contact with girl from a non-western society. One of the students is a "goddess and the alphabet"-style feminist who believes in the patriarchy as the root of all gender evil. The non-western girl is fighting for the right to make her own life decisions. Her society is putting pressure on her to have FGM. It is discovered that her own family, particularly her own female family members, are putting the most pressure on her to follow tradition and not shame the female family members in the eyes of other women in the society. The non-western girl's brother joins the military in order to improve his odds of the non-western girl's best friend accepting his proposal. But, the boy dies in the military during military action. The non-western girl develops a school and an underground information broker (trying to use the uncovering of information and the strategic release thereof to break what was bad about the old ways while retaining what was good).
The college NGO worker is the point of view character and comes to learn that gender politics are much more complex than her professors taught her.
The non-western girl is the protagonist.
Have you ever taken a college class on gender? I don't know how it's in the US, but in my country topics such as FGM, internalized misogyny, intersectionality, honor culture, colonialism etc are all part of the studies.
The whole movie idea sounds like some straw feminist trope made into a movie. Radical feminism (that is, feminism that is based in the analysis that the patriarchy is a/one of the foundations of how society is structured, which is what you seem to refer to) is neither new to honor cultures (we have a crapload of them in the west too) nor internalized misogyny, nor how many women uphold the patriarchy. Many women who laid the foundation of radical feminist theory were there before we got women's suffrage in my country, and remembered that many women too where staunch opponents of it.
I've only watched the first hour of The Dirty Dozen, but I've seen it before and, as I recall, the only women in the picture are prostitutes and poor German frauleins mowed down by the murderous misogynist, Maggott. I feel safe in calling it a failure on the Bechdel-o-meter.
Killer picture though. And what a cast! [Recues that Le Tigre tune about Cassavettes]
Also features a George Kennedy role, you'll note.
He is a superhero movie for you. An average Jane works in an office in the outskirts of a large Australian City surrounded by the Bush.
She is a volunteer firefighter, so when a bushfire threatens she joins her crew and commands a truck. Giving up her paid time to go fight a fire unpaid.
While defending a farm the wind changes direction trapping her crew and the farmer and his family. The lead female through her leadership and the skills and knowledge of her crew and the family make it to safety.
With the fire contained she and her crew return to their families and day jobs.
Ten days later she is in her office and takes a phone call a town 50 miles away is threatened by a bushfire, next scene you see her and her crew suiting up and the screen fades and the titles roll as a small convoy of Fire Trucks roll down the highway into a firestorm orange sunset.
To me that is a real superhero story because it is a true story.
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On the bechdel test, it's useless for rating individual movies. It's generally quite useful to see the status of women when taken as an average over a genre or long-running series.
For example, it can be useful for appreciating the more backseat role women have gotten in Doctor Who the last 3 seasons; link. While individual episodes might pass the test but be horribly sexist while others may fail it and yet be great from a gender perspective, it's about taking it as a whole and realize that women not talking about men have become much more of a rarity.
Answer picture to Fred Zinneman's McCarthyism metaphor, High Noon, source of inspiration to John Carpenter's mighty Assault on Precinct 13, co-written by Paizo's own Leigh Brackett, with two heartthrobs to offset the Duke and Walter Brennan, and Angie Dickinson as a, and I quote the blurb on the case, "scarlet woman," and it still doesn't pass the Bechdel test.*
(*At least, not in the first hour and 40.)
Paizo's own Leigh Brackett
Huh?
Paizo's own Leigh BrackettHuh?
Misinformation is one of my specialities.
The trick with a female lead is to change the dynamic so that she's still the heroic lead, without making her seem to need the guy too much (women isn't complete without a man trap) or having the guy fill the screaming victim in need of rescue (which would be an interesting inversion, but probably too much for a mainstream audience.)
Luckily a lot of mainstream adventure movies have been giving female costars a much more active/competent role lately, so inverting that shouldn't be too bad.
Especially if we're still talking superheroine, since then it's pretty easy to have the love interest be a capable, even heroic man, but still not overshadow the heroine.
I would say Buffy the Vampire Slayer is a pretty good example of the above. Most seasons she had a romantic plotline, but she was the one usually saving the guy.
Buffy is hawt.
Misinformation is one of my specialities.Paizo's own Leigh BrackettHuh?
Oh. Whew. I thought someone had gone and done an Arazni on her. That would have been bad.
Oh, I don't know...
Given the quality of everything I've read/seen that she's been involved with (The Skaith books, The Sword of Rhiannon, The Big Sleep, Rio Bravo, The Long Goodbye, um, The Empire Strikes Back), she may have been a good candidate for lichdom.
Are you implying that ESB wasn't written by liches? Seriously?
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Are you implying that ESB wasn't written by liches? Seriously?
If they did, clearly liches need to write more movies.
Man, am I upset that I didn't see in this theater, because I thought it was pretty underwhelming on the small screen. Monster fights, cool, bickering mad scientists, amusing, rest of the movie? Meh.
Also failed the Bechdel test.
Also failed the Bechdel test.
I'm pretty sure the Bechdel Test starts with something like:
if (hasRonPerlman)
return true;
So Pacific Rim totally passes.
I already have a reputation as a troll, so I'll just say it:
Ron Perlman is overrated.
I already have a reputation as a troll, so I'll just say it:
Troll? I think the goblin is having illusions of grandeur. :p
Maybe. At only 3 feet tall, I am often wracked with feelings of inadequacy and the need to overcompensate.
It's also possible that goblin biology is the source of my irritation with Mr. Perlman. I can't tell him apart from Tom Waits.
All you pinkskins look the same.
Huzzah! The list of Bechdel test failures has finally been broken!
Is it a coincidence that it was finally broken in a film featuring a Slovenian communist? I couldn't say, but The Pervert's Guide to Ideology.
Of course, the film is a documentary about other movies and only has one "character," but there are bits and excerpts of other movies throughout the film. It probably passed the BT when discussing Titanic which I've never seen, but it most certainly did when discussing David Lean's Brief Encounter which I highly recommend.
Here Zizek discusses John Carpenter's mighty They Live which he calls a "forgotten masterpiece of the Hollywood Left."
Now what gimmick am I going to use to post about what movies I watch?
[Sobs]
When will we have movies "Bechdeling", i.e. putting in two named women saying hello to one another to pass the test?
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"Hey Christine"
"Oh hi Diane"
"So, how about those TPS reports, huh?"
"Yeah totally."
(Meanwhile, elsewhere in San Francisco Drizzt Do'Urden and Han Solo are infiltrating the suspected HQ of Nemesis, the Prussian Prince of Automatons.)
PASS!
Just for the record: Thor passes the Bechdel test, while simultaneously annoying me by turning Jane into little more than a MacGuffin for the whole middle of the movie. Though she did get stuff to do in the beginning and end.
I saw Thor yesterday and, indeed, it passes. As did every other movie I watched yesterday. When it rains, it snows, I guess.
Thor: The Dark World
Hero (Just barely, but still)
Team America: World Police ("I treasure your friendship!")
The Princess Bride
The Hobbit (Y'know, I've probably seen this a hundred times in my life, and it was only this past viewing where I realized that Gandalf is being voiced by mo'foing John Huston)
Guns, Germs and Steel
and then I watched a couple of episodes of the Dungeons and Dragons cartoon and some of that Sci-Fi Earthsea adaptation.
I was going to let this thread die and take my movie posts back to the FAWTL Refugees Thread, but too many of them had superheroish chicks, so, one more:
Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Legend
Earthsea (stabs self in eyes)
Dungeons & Dragons
And I finally finished The Walking Dead, Season Three
Man, I srly need to get back to some filmsnob shiznit...
and then I watched a couple of episodes of the Dungeons and Dragons cartoon and some of that Sci-Fi Earthsea adaptation.
Which Earthsea adaptation was that, Comrade A? I've only seen one, and it was an epically dismal attempt at The Tombs of Atuan, with Mira Furlan in it. If there's a better one out there, I'd be very interested in seeing it!
So, how is life in Sugar Candy Mountain?
[Looks up Mira Furlan]
Huh, so the Frenchwoman is really Croatian?
It was the Sci-Fi (SyFy?) television miniseries with Danny Glover and Isabella Rossellini (OHWFA!).
To be honest, it wasn't terrible on a bunch of standards (the gebbeth, I thought, was pretty cool) but it took way too many liberties with the plot for a devoted Le Guinian like me to stomach without complaint. I believe I read somewhere that when asked about it, Ursula, like Alan Moore, said she just took the money and ran. (I don't recall her name even being listed in the credits, but I could be wrong.)
Perhaps Shawn Ashmore is a fine actor, I couldn't say, but he made a terrible Ged, imho. Finally, I didn't like what they did with Tenar and the other ladies (I don't think they once called her Arha).
Sugar Candy Mountain is going fine except for the fact that I haven't been able to do any reading. I think they're on to me. :(
About race rather than gender, but the woman herself on Earthsea.