Nemesis: 100 Ideas for kickstarting a Female Superhero film


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Sissyl wrote:
Well researched movie about Marie Curie, or Mary Shelley.

Or...

Marie Curie didn't die from radiation poisoning. Instead gamma rays emitted by the radium she was working with changed her. Beware of Marie Curie and her rage-fueled strength...

Hey, it's probably more accurate than most hollywood biographies. Perhaps, instead of dying in 1934, she lived on to eventually join the OSS during World War 2.

"Bah! Puny Nazis! Marie Curie smash!!!"

"Purple pants? I say, she's out of uniform..."

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Icyshadow wrote:
Orfamay Quest wrote:
Icyshadow wrote:
Orfamay Quest wrote:

Stop watching them. Get everyone you know to stop watching them. The easiest way to get Hollywood to stop doing something is to make it unprofitable.

That's also, oddly enough, the hardest way. Because it's the only way to get Hollywood to stop doing something.

Not only that, but judging from what I have seen, people fail at boycotting.
No, but they're awesome at not going to see movies that aren't going to be fun to watch.
People didn't go to watch the Scott Pilgrim movie, even though it was a lot better than most movies around that time.

Oddly enough I went and saw Scott Pilgrim...


Slightly off topic but I think She-Hulk could make a sweet TV show.

Think about it, you could have Jenifer Walters the single female New York lawyer. Think Law and Order legal drama spliced with Sex & The City esqe social drama but at least once an episode when the drama is getting too thick she turns turns into she-hulk and fights something.

And since she's known for breaking the fourth wall she could even talk to the audience ala Congressman Frank Underwood in House of Cards only instead of evil schemeing it would be musings on her single female layer life and how that interacts with being a super hero.

I am a red blooded hertrosexual man "in the demo" and I would watch that show in a heart beat.

- Torger

Silver Crusade

Shifty wrote:
Xzaral wrote:
I am not

No worries.

Seems Doodle has sort of filled in the gaps, I was trying to get a decent reference for an RSL equivalent in the US etc

Basically they are large social clubs as Doodle has covered, and they tend to have raffles and badge draws where the prize is usually a large tray of cuts of raw meat, or chickens (chook raffle). The concept being that it is a prize that is applicable to both men and women, and touches on the carnivorous nature of the average Australian.

Somehow the concept of a meat raffle being exactly what it said escaped me. My brain was too overworked from work to think straight apparently.

Thanks for the info as well about the RSL!

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Shifty wrote:
Orfamay Quest wrote:
Butbutbutbutbutbutbut,.... this is a dramatic role. It tells a deeply moving and universal story about my need for more money.

Sounds good.

Are you a woman? Regardless of the answer, are you happy to be called one?

Its OK...I know a guy who specializes In doing that...cutting off the male organs...yes he Is my local butcher...but he is looking to break into cinema...OK that may not sound as good as it does...guy with knives looking to break into cinema and cut off male organs.

Sovereign Court

Umbral Reaver wrote:
Lance Bombardier Orthos wrote:

Did somebody say EXPLOSIONS?!

*pushes all the buttons*

KWAAAABOOOOOOOOOOMMM!!!

WHEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEE!!!

You're not sponsored by Torgue, are you?

Sponsored, no. Loyal customer, hell yes.


Guy Humual wrote:
The term Blockbuster does predate Jaws, indeed going back to the 40s, but the 1975 film broke all records and kind of redefined the term. As I understand it, prior to that a blockbuster was any sort of film that made a lot of money, but afterwards it was the sort of film designed and marketed to make a lot of money.

Also, the summer thing.

Here's the wiki page.

Of the four films that are mentioned as examples of pre-Jaws blockbusters--Quo Vadis, The Ten Commandments, Gone With the Wind, Ben-Hur--not a single one of them was released in the summer.

I suppose one could argue that the Biblical epic Ben-Hur could cut it as a modern blockbuster, but Gone With the Wind? In modern terms, that's a total (racist) chick flick. The other two I've never seen.


yellowdingo wrote:
Its OK...I know a guy who specializes In doing that...cutting off the male organs...yes he Is my local butcher...but he is looking to break into cinema...OK that may not sound as good as it does...guy with knives looking to break into cinema and cut off male organs.

Now THAT is the start of an interesting Indie film.


Heymitch wrote:
Sissyl wrote:
Well researched movie about Marie Curie, or Mary Shelley.

Or...

Marie Curie didn't die from radiation poisoning. Instead gamma rays emitted by the radium she was working with changed her. Beware of Marie Curie and her rage-fueled strength...

Hey, it's probably more accurate than most hollywood biographies. Perhaps, instead of dying in 1934, she lived on to eventually join the OSS during World War 2.

"Bah! Puny Nazis! Marie Curie smash!!!"

"Purple pants? I say, she's out of uniform..."

Absolutely. I have no idea why I did not connect the two. :)

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Doodlebug Anklebiter wrote:


Here's the wiki page.

Of the four films that are mentioned as examples of pre-Jaws blockbusters--Quo Vadis, The Ten Commandments, Gone With the Wind, Ben-Hur--not a single one of them was released in the summer.

I suppose one could argue that the Biblical epic Ben-Hur could cut it as a modern blockbuster, but Gone With the Wind? In modern terms, that's a total (racist) chick flick. The other two I've never seen.

You haven't seen Yul Brynner's abs in The 10 Commandments? Also, there's a sequel: The 15 Commandments.

While we might call Gone With the Wind a "chick flick" nowadays, it wasn't marketed as a "women's picture" back in the day, and it certainly had a much bigger budget and action sequences than if it had been one. Link. Aside from the racism and atavistic view of the South, there's no way GWTW would be made by any studio today.

Producer: You want us to produce a 4-hour romance movie based on a novel for HOW much money? Hahahaha! Don't let the door hit you on the way out.


Guy Humual wrote:
The term Blockbuster does predate Jaws, indeed going back to the 40s, but the 1975 film broke all records and kind of redefined the term. As I understand it, prior to that a blockbuster was any sort of film that made a lot of money, but afterwards it was the sort of film designed and marketed to make a lot of money.

Because, prior to 1975, movies that made a lot of money did so purely through luck?

FIlms weren't marketed prior to 1975?

Hollywood has been designing and marketing films to make a lot of money since the early 20th century. Hollywood has been searching for, and finding, "blockbusters" since the term started in the 40s. Jaws was remarkable in that it redefined how much money could be made from a film, which in meant that you could make higher-budget films if you could figure out a way to make Jaws-like money from them.


If you want to insist that a "blockbuster" is just a movie that makes a lot of money, then you are correct.

That is not the way the term is used by most people who write about film.


No, that's exactly the way the term is used. That's why, for example, Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone was considered a blockbuster despite its November release date, and of course the Lord of the Rings movies were equally considered blockbusters, despite December releases.

Now, it seems to be true that a movie has a better chance of becoming a blockbuster if you release it in the summer, especially if it's a movie that appeals to the young (school-age) crowd that have more free time when they're out of school. Which is why a questionable, overhyped film with lots of explosions is likely to to be released in the summer -- if you release that film in October, it will likely not make as much money, and it won't be a blockbuster.


Zeugma wrote:

You haven't seen Yul Brynner's abs in The 10 Commandments? Also, there's a sequel: The 15 Commandments.

While we might call Gone With the Wind a "chick flick" nowadays, it wasn't marketed as a "women's picture" back in the day, and it certainly had a much bigger budget and action sequences than if it had been one. Link. Aside from the racism and atavistic view of the South, there's no way GWTW would be made by any studio today.

Producer: You want us to produce a 4-hour romance movie based on a novel for HOW much money? Hahahaha! Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Huh. Out of all the films that Baldy made, I have only seen The Magnificent Seven. And there was a film made of The Sound and the Fury?!? Woah.

As for, GWtW, you're right, it wasn't marketed as a chick flick. I'm not sure, but I don't know if they actually made films marketed as chick flicks back then. I'm thinking of melodramas like All About Eve or screwball comedies like Bringing Up Baby which seem to have had appeal to both genders now and then.

Maybe Douglas Sirk's films?, but even those are a decade and a half later.


Orfamay Quest wrote:

No, that's exactly the way the term is used. That's why, for example, Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone was considered a blockbuster despite its November release date, and of course the Lord of the Rings movies were equally considered blockbusters, despite December releases.

Wiki: "Although the term 'blockbuster' was originally defined by audience response, after a while the term came to mean a high-budget production aimed at mass markets, with associated merchandising, on which the financial fortunes of film studio or distributor depended. It was defined by its production budget and marketing effort rather than its success and popularity, and was essentially a tag which a film's marketing gave itself. In this way it became possible to refer to films such as Hollywood's Godzilla (1998) or Last Action Hero as both a blockbuster and a box-office disaster."

Sovereign Court

Orfamay Quest wrote:
Guy Humual wrote:
The term Blockbuster does predate Jaws, indeed going back to the 40s, but the 1975 film broke all records and kind of redefined the term. As I understand it, prior to that a blockbuster was any sort of film that made a lot of money, but afterwards it was the sort of film designed and marketed to make a lot of money.

Because, prior to 1975, movies that made a lot of money did so purely through luck?

FIlms weren't marketed prior to 1975?

Hollywood has been designing and marketing films to make a lot of money since the early 20th century. Hollywood has been searching for, and finding, "blockbusters" since the term started in the 40s. Jaws was remarkable in that it redefined how much money could be made from a film, which in meant that you could make higher-budget films if you could figure out a way to make Jaws-like money from them.

The term has changed is all I was pointing out, before the movie Cleopatra wouldn't have been called a blockbuster because it didn't make enough money to earn that title, but if it had been made today it would have been described as such even if it was a flop. Waterworld for example might be described as summer blockbuster that was a bomb. The modern usage of the term is more about expected revenue whereas the old usage was more about actual revenues.

Or at least that is my understanding.

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Doodlebug Anklebiter wrote:


Huh. Out of all the films that Baldy made, I have only seen The Magnificent Seven.

You haven't seen Westworld?!


Zeugma wrote:
Doodlebug Anklebiter wrote:


Huh. Out of all the films that Baldy made, I have only seen The Magnificent Seven.

You haven't seen Westworld?!

I'm confused!


Are we seriously still fielding a debate about the term 'Blockbuster' as though it is some universally accepted single definition word?

It appears it has meant different things at different times, yet ultimately the gist of the term is still mostly consistent.

Can we now get back to female superheroes?

Were we looking for legit ones or cheese? Seems cheese is just as valid as serious when it comes to superheroes.


Shifty wrote:
Are we seriously still fielding a debate about the term 'Blockbuster' as though it is some universally accepted single definition word?

Yes. There are only a few things I take seriously: communism, sex, drugs, rock'n'roll, and the history of film.

Anyway, I second a She-Hulk and a Carol Danvers, would love to see a Nextwave, but would happily settle for a whole film devoted to Natasha Romanov and Scarlett Johansson's ass.

OHWFA!


Zeugma wrote:
You haven't seen Westworld?!

No.

EDIT: No, but it looks awesome!! How is it after the weed wears off?


Doodlebug Anklebiter wrote:
Zeugma wrote:
You haven't seen Westworld?!

No.

EDIT: No, but it looks awesome!! How is it after the weed wears off?

Doodle, why you even asking? Curious?


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Doodlebug Anklebiter wrote:
Zeugma wrote:
You haven't seen Westworld?!

No.

EDIT: No, but it looks awesome!! How is it after the weed wears off?

I thought it was great sans weed... But I think Big Trouble in Little China and Cannonball Run are film classics.


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Ha I just thought of a Super Hero movie....

Jack Burton and Gracie Law's truck driving pro-union lawyer daughter, drives across North America, dealing with Big Trouble in various ethnic neighbourhoods...

Such as big Big Trouble in little Italy, Big Trouble in little Moscow and so on....

;-)


Scott Lynch has got you sorted.


The 8th Dwarf wrote:
I thought it was great sans weed... But I think Big Trouble in Little China and Cannonball Run are film classics.

John Carpenter and Kurt Russell in 2016!!

The campaign starts now.


Evil Lincoln wrote:
Doodle, why you even asking? Curious?

[Bumps to the top of the Netflix queue, after Across 110th Street and Kiss of the Spider Woman]

Unfortunately, I spend more time trolling Paizo than watching movies these days.


Doodlebug Anklebiter wrote:
The 8th Dwarf wrote:
I thought it was great sans weed... But I think Big Trouble in Little China and Cannonball Run are film classics.

John Carpenter and Kurt Russell in 2016!!

The campaign starts now.

I am in for that... As long as Kate Blanchett gets to be queen of the world... Elizabeth/Galadriel style.


Kajehase wrote:
Scott Lynch has got you sorted.

I want to see this movie.

But then, Scott's usually pretty cool.


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The 8th Dwarf wrote:
But I think Big Trouble in Little China and Cannonball Run are film classics.

Throw on the Blues Brothers and you have a great night right there.


Shifty wrote:
The 8th Dwarf wrote:
But I think Big Trouble in Little China and Cannonball Run are film classics.
Throw on the Blues Brothers and you have a great night right there.

Indeed it would.

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Shifty wrote:
The 8th Dwarf wrote:
But I think Big Trouble in Little China and Cannonball Run are film classics.
Throw on the Blues Brothers and you have a great night right there.

So your ideal female superhero is Carrie Fisher toting a Rocket Propelled Grenade.

B is for Bastard

After the President of the United States has an affair with Carrie Fisher and then dumps her on orders from his wife Carrie becomes an outraged and vengeful woman who resorts to terrorism to assassinate the President's wife and abduct the President.


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yellowdingo wrote:
After the President of the United States has an affair with Carrie Fisher and then dumps her on orders from his wife Carrie becomes an outraged and vengeful woman who resorts to terrorism to assassinate the President's wife and abduct the President.

Evil misogynistic men - tick

Oppressed woman - tick (two of them, but they don't talk to each other)
Rape/forced pregnancy - cross (may be in the directors cut)
Followed up by a lot of revenge fantasy smack down.

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Shifty wrote:

Are we seriously still fielding a debate about the term 'Blockbuster' as though it is some universally accepted single definition word?

It appears it has meant different things at different times, yet ultimately the gist of the term is still mostly consistent.

Can we now get back to female superheroes?

Were we looking for legit ones or cheese? Seems cheese is just as valid as serious when it comes to superheroes.

I prefer legitimate cheese.

I mean, seriously, if there were a superhero movie where there was some character development but ALSO some campy fun, I would be all over that. But I don't think we've had anything like that since Xena.


Cheese is good.


Xena is good...oh so very good.


yellowdingo wrote:
Shifty wrote:
The 8th Dwarf wrote:
But I think Big Trouble in Little China and Cannonball Run are film classics.
Throw on the Blues Brothers and you have a great night right there.

So your ideal female superhero is Carrie Fisher toting a Rocket Propelled Grenade.

B is for Bastard

After the President of the United States has an affair with Carrie Fisher and then dumps her on orders from his wife Carrie becomes an outraged and vengeful woman who resorts to terrorism to assassinate the President's wife and abduct the President.

*facepalm*

Are you just incapable of giving a character a motivation that doesn't stem from sexual events or romantic rejection?


Orthos wrote:
yellowdingo wrote:
Shifty wrote:
The 8th Dwarf wrote:
But I think Big Trouble in Little China and Cannonball Run are film classics.
Throw on the Blues Brothers and you have a great night right there.

So your ideal female superhero is Carrie Fisher toting a Rocket Propelled Grenade.

B is for Bastard

After the President of the United States has an affair with Carrie Fisher and then dumps her on orders from his wife Carrie becomes an outraged and vengeful woman who resorts to terrorism to assassinate the President's wife and abduct the President.

*facepalm*

Are you just incapable of giving a woman a motivation that doesn't stem from sexual events or romantic rejection?

FIFY. :)


Touche.


Orthos wrote:
yellowdingo wrote:


After the President of the United States has an affair with Carrie Fisher and then dumps her on orders from his wife Carrie becomes an outraged and vengeful woman who resorts to terrorism to assassinate the President's wife and abduct the President.

*facepalm*

Are you just incapable of giving a character a motivation that doesn't stem from sexual events or romantic rejection?

Yes, he is. If you look at his other threads, it's quite clear that he's fundamentally a sexist Victorian who believes that women are incapable of rational thought or independent actions and therefore need to be protected and wrapped in cotton batting to keep the poor dears from getting hurt.


Hmm. Maybe.

I figured he was just doing the whole Comrade Dingo Troll thing.


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DeathQuaker wrote:
Shifty wrote:

Are we seriously still fielding a debate about the term 'Blockbuster' as though it is some universally accepted single definition word?

It appears it has meant different things at different times, yet ultimately the gist of the term is still mostly consistent.

Can we now get back to female superheroes?

Were we looking for legit ones or cheese? Seems cheese is just as valid as serious when it comes to superheroes.

I prefer legitimate cheese.

I mean, seriously, if there were a superhero movie where there was some character development but ALSO some campy fun, I would be all over that. But I don't think we've had anything like that since Xena.

Buffy?

And the female characters from Firefly/Serenity?
Donna Noble
Gwen from Torchwood

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Kajehase wrote:
Scott Lynch has got you sorted.

Scott Lynch should totally write the Wonder Woman movie, based on this trailer. I'm sure it would be just as good as Man of Steel, if not better.


The 8th Dwarf wrote:
I am in for that... As long as Kate Blanchett gets to be queen of the world... Elizabeth/Galadriel style.

I first fell deeply in love with Ms. Blanchett in 1999 in her twin roles as plutocratic socialites in The Talented Mr. Ripley and An Ideal Husband.

OHWFA!

Ironically, I thought the former was a much better movie, although, of course, Oscar Wilde kicks Patricia Highsmith's ass.

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The 8th Dwarf wrote:
DeathQuaker wrote:
Shifty wrote:

Are we seriously still fielding a debate about the term 'Blockbuster' as though it is some universally accepted single definition word?

It appears it has meant different things at different times, yet ultimately the gist of the term is still mostly consistent.

Can we now get back to female superheroes?

Were we looking for legit ones or cheese? Seems cheese is just as valid as serious when it comes to superheroes.

I prefer legitimate cheese.

I mean, seriously, if there were a superhero movie where there was some character development but ALSO some campy fun, I would be all over that. But I don't think we've had anything like that since Xena.

Buffy?

And the female characters from Firefly/Serenity?
Donna Noble
Gwen from Torchwood

Buffy was same time period as Xena, and I would say the Raimis definitely beat Whedon in the camp department. But certainly Buffy the series had a good sense of humor to it as well as some faboo character development, definitely credit where it's due.

I'm wanting whole series or movies that generally have a good balance of real character development but also a good sense of fun and camp. I don't consider Firefly fun or campy, naked Mal scenes aside. Same for Torchwood (and Gwen was a wet blanket, blaeaggh). Doctor Who certainly can have its fun and camp moments, sure. But as all of Donna's character development got erased by Russel T. Davies pressing the Big Lazy Plot/Woman In Refrigerator Button, can't say she counts for a well developed character (mind, I ADORE Donna. But I loathe what the show did to her to the point that if I ever meet Russel T. Davies, it will take all my willpower not to pummel him into the ground. I will spend that willpower, because I don't believe in beating people up over nerdrage, but that whole situation really infuriates me to the core).


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There is a very long queue of people who wish kick RTD in the sack for what he did to Donna.

You are right though there hasn't been anything good for a while.


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The 8th Dwarf wrote:
Doodlebug Anklebiter wrote:

Wow, I don't think I've ever seen so many Aussies in one thread at the same time before.

Whatever happened to Mothman?

He is my GM for Carrion Crown... New baby, new job, life also got a bit uncooperative so forum time has been sidelined.

He is doing well though.

Tell him we miss him, please! <3 to Mothy and family.


Treppa wrote:
The 8th Dwarf wrote:
Doodlebug Anklebiter wrote:

Wow, I don't think I've ever seen so many Aussies in one thread at the same time before.

Whatever happened to Mothman?

He is my GM for Carrion Crown... New baby, new job, life also got a bit uncooperative so forum time has been sidelined.

He is doing well though.

Tell him we miss him, please! <3 to Mothy and family.

I will do :-)

I keep nudging him to get back to the forums, he says he would love too, but life is super busy.

I will see if I can get him to pop on and say hello to the FAWTLs.... I will work on it he can be stubborn.

He is not a Facebook user which is very annoying. I tried to get him on to Google + (I like it better) no joy either.


Unfortunately, my player wouldn't read the Across 110th Street disc, so I had to content myself with listening to the killer Bobby Womack title track, like, 15 times in a row.

But then, I still wasn't satisified and had a choice between Kiss of the Spider Woman and Soderbergh's Che Part Two which I've been holding off on because I figured it was going to be depressing.

Well, my machismo won out, and then I was depressed.

Poor Ernesto.


Kiss of the Spiderwoman would have been a better choice. I saw it at the cinema when it was first released, my Grandma didn't understand why I wanted to go see it, and then was skeptical when I pointed it it was a cinematic masterpiece. She thought we should stick to movies like First Blood instead.

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