Reach and AoO


Rules Questions


If you have a reach weapon in 1 hand (a whip) and another weapon in another hand (dagger) and someone from 2 squares away moves 1 square toward you, do you get an Attack of Opportunity?
(this is assuming they don't take a 5-foot step)
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M= me
E= enemy
{}= space

Start:
M {} E

End:
M E {}

Similarly If you only have a reach weapon do you get the attack of opportunity?


This should be in the Rules Questions forum.

You don't threaten squares with a whip, so the answer to your first question is "no".

If, however, you were wielding a reach weapon which does threaten (such as a longaxe), and an enemy moved toward you (leaving one of your threatened squares in the process), he'd provoke an attack of opportunity. Does this make sense?

(Note: the other part of your question about wielding a dagger as well is irrelevant... attacks of opportunity are triggered right before the target leaves the threatened square, so they happen at whatever range you already threaten.)


As Oladon said, the answer to both of your questions is Yes, but only if you use a reach weapon that is capable of threatening the square in question (not a whip).


Another way to accomplish this would be a phalanx archetype fighter, since they can wield spears one handed when they have a shield (which serves as another weapon). This helps to simplify Ronin Aoi Hasu's core argument.

I think this is what you are trying to get at:(Edit-hard to do these diagrams with the forum's program. Admittedly, there would be few reasons why this kind of art would be used outside of annoyances

---E
Q X X X Q
X O O O X
X O P O X
X O O O X
Q X X X Q

If the Enemy (E), tried to go in a strait line down there, you would get up to 5 AoO (assuming you could make that many) as they exited each square (as in when he left the X square to the first O square, then from one O square to the next, then from the O to the last X, and then as he exited the last X). Your close weapon would do the AoO in adjacent squares (O), and your reach weapon would do the AoO on the outer squares (X).

Note that you do not threaten corners (Q).


lemeres wrote:
you would get up to 5 AoO (assuming you could make that many)

No, you wouldn't. Movement only provokes once.


Cool, thanks guys :)


Oladon wrote:
lemeres wrote:
you would get up to 5 AoO (assuming you could make that many)

No, you wouldn't. Movement only provokes once.

Technically, it provokes each time.. but it is considered one opportunity and as such you can only elect to take the AOO once... but it could be taken from leaving any of the 5 squares that were threatened.

(And in case the OP was thinking.. the AOO could not be made with a weapon that didn't threaten the square in question.. such as that dagger.. or without feats/abilities the whip)

-James


james maissen wrote:
Oladon wrote:
lemeres wrote:
you would get up to 5 AoO (assuming you could make that many)

No, you wouldn't. Movement only provokes once.

Technically, it provokes each time.. but it is considered one opportunity and as such you can only elect to take the AOO once... but it could be taken from leaving any of the 5 squares that were threatened.

No. It provokes once.

PRD wrote:
Moving out of more than one square threatened by the same opponent in the same round doesn't count as more than one opportunity for that opponent.


Ah. Well, I got proven wrong. Cool. It did sound a bit weird that it could be done like that, espcially since it would privilege huge creatures (at least the ones with decent DEX) too much. Sorry for the mistake.

Well then, I guess going back to the original scenario, even if whips do not threaten, you could still get an AoO with the dagger if they just tried running past you. So if you focus on whips, and do not have anything to immediate to do with your other hand (casting, potions, etc.) it might be prudent to keep a dagger out.


Oladon wrote:
james maissen wrote:
Oladon wrote:
lemeres wrote:
you would get up to 5 AoO (assuming you could make that many)

No, you wouldn't. Movement only provokes once.

Technically, it provokes each time.. but it is considered one opportunity and as such you can only elect to take the AOO once... but it could be taken from leaving any of the 5 squares that were threatened.

No. It provokes once.

PRD wrote:
Moving out of more than one square threatened by the same opponent in the same round doesn't count as more than one opportunity for that opponent.

And what you quoted supports me, and not you. Perhaps you misread things?

-James

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