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My father was the stealthiest sneak-thief in all of the Anklebiter lands and my mother was a warchanter renowned throughout all of Galt.
I, uh, load wagons.
i must say i'm glad they didn't shut this down all the backdoor bragging is fun:) thanks adamantine dragon for keeping things going:) i was wrong yesterday, good job this is fun (i',m not being sarcastic either, this is fun:)
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(i',m not being sarcastic either, this is fun:)
Run, now, while you can!
If you keep at it, next thing you know, three years will have gone by and all you'll have accomplished is racked up a post count in the tens of thousands!
Get out while you still can!
As I said Captain, I tend to enjoy the off-topic discussion and banter more than the "here's what I did today in Pathfinder" stuff.
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As I said Captain, I tend to enjoy the off-topic discussion and banter more than the "here's what I did today in Pathfinder" stuff.
to be honest this the first time in my whole life i've really engaged in message board banter, fun stuff!! i mostly just post advice or my experience then *poof* gone like a duck in the night (too much dark wing duck & howard the duck lately maybe:) its fun to have such great kids.
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Unisex bathrooms, locker rooms, showers. The obvious solution. Getting people to stop freaking out so much over "parts" would be a MAJOR blow for transgender equality.
Oddly enough, the law does not distinguish the way you do. The law...Given that it's a girls' bathroom, not a boys' bathroom, so their little girls will never see the transgender girl's boy parts, that objection doesn't seem particularly plausible.Back to the trangendered elementary school issue. I would suggest that many people opposed to the final ruling are completely aware of and sympathize with the position of the transgendered girl.
They just STILL DON'T WANT penises in their little girl's bathrooms.
If I were the father of a young girl in Colorado, I would find that objection very plausible for the following reason: if, according to the law, it's discrimination to exclude someone with a penis from a girl's bathroom, is it not also discrimination to exclude someone with a penis from the showers in a girl's locker room at my daughter's school? For that matter, is it not discrimination to exclude someone with a penis from the women's locker room at any gym? What about a women's-only gym? What about facilities at a women's shelter for rape survivors?
To me, the Colorado "bathroom of choice" ruling seems to be setting a very bad legal precedent that tramples on women's rights. If there is no expectation of freedom from the presence of a penis in a women's bathroom, how can you legally argue that there is an expectation of freedom from the presence of a penis in any space, anywhere?
And, for the record, I do not believe bathrooms are not categorized by the genders of their users (or else there would be more than two categories of bathroom). Bathrooms are categorized by the biological sex of the reproductive organs of their users. "Men's room" and "women's room" are just euphemisms for "room for people with penises" and "room for people with vaginas". The only possible grey area I see involves hermaphrodites; everyone else should have no choice whatsoever as to which bathroom they get to use.
Since this thread is getting onto that topic, the polite and medically-official term is intersexed, not hermaphrodite.
In any case, here are a few of my thoughts on the bathroom issue:
1) Since pre-op transgender women, like most adults, don't go running around inside public bathroom with their pants down, no one inside will even see their penises, so it's not something that most would even be aware of, which means the "presence of a penis" would not cause any emotional harm, thus what is the problem?
2) If their is a gray area (intersexed individuals), that's proof that the rules need to be reexamined. A person with mixed internal or external genitalia, or so on, may "appear" more like one sex than the other regardless of their genitalia. The same is true for trans-gender individuals that have had complete reassignment surgery. And again, the genitals won't even be seen, so it's more a matter of being uncomfortable by someone who looks male than it is someone with a penis, or vice versa with women and a clitoris.
3) As for this "freedom from the presence of a penis" bit: what about a woman with a penis, or a man with a penis for that matter, in the same public restroom as a woman is so threatening? Women are alone with men in just as many public places. I think the problem here is a completely different societal issue.
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People somehow forget that for the vast majority of humanity's existence children were raised in an environment where nudity and even sex was commonplace and all around them.
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If the person does identify as the gender opposite to that of their body, I wouldn't call it preferential treatment to let them live their lives as the gender they identify as. I grant that there are arguments in such a case against it that are not based on or off hate, and that the people making those arguments do not hate transgendered people. In such cases it's lack of understanding for the position of transgendered people.
You wouldn't call homosexual marriage preferential treatment, just because "homosexuals have the same right as everyone else, to marry someone of the opposite gender".Au contraire my friend. I have seen exactly that argument presented many, many times. And it is, in fact, quite true. Homosexuals always HAVE HAD the same right to marry someone of the opposite sex, and heterosexuals always HAVE BEEN just as unable to marry someone of the same sex. The problem isn't that the rights are different, it's that the DESIRES are different. Having the right to do something you don't want to do is just as meaningless as being denied the right to do something you don't want to do. What prior laws have denied is the "right" of homosexuals to marry who they WANT.
But guess what, if I want to marry TWO women, I can't do that either. Just as even now a man can't marry TWO other men.
But I suspect you'll see that change too.
The fundamental problem is that what some people see as "preferential treatment" is seen by other people as "a fundamental right."
Back to the trangendered elementary school issue. I would suggest that many people opposed to the final ruling are completely aware of and sympathize with the position of the transgendered girl.
They just STILL DON'T WANT penises in their little girl's bathrooms.
If you genuinely sympathized with the little girl, you'd realize by going into the boy's bathroom she is in genuine danger of getting beaten up and harassed, and if this were an adult setting, raped.
Her physical safety outweighs fear of peen.
it seems like it happens a lot in RPGs where people decide that their character should be a racist misogynistic d-bag, and then use the "but its in my backstory" card when i ask them about it
why does every Barbarian or other fringe type PC have to be like that?
i'm all for coming up with compelling backstories, it makes my job easier. racism and misogyny is not compelling, its just offensive and tends to put gamers in a bad mood when the Barbarian wont listen to the wizard PC because "she's a southern wench"my question is, is this a recurring problem with gamers as a whole or just in the midwest?
do gamers use their characters to act out their deep down racism and sexism, cause it kinda seems that way from my seat.and thats really, really disappointing because in my youth it seemed that gamers were a more liberal forward thinking bunch then the general populace.
do woman gamers run into this a lot, does it turn them off from gaming?
how as a GM do you deal with this?
Yeah, what we play says a lot about us. I think it allows people to vent, to mix some traditionalist ideas with their fantasy. We are playing a 1920s cthulhu game at the moment, and one far leftist is relishing the chance to play a white racist and shoot up some darkies. No joke, none, that is what he is looking forward to.
My char the professor of Orientalism, is ironically having to be the voice of reason. No, we are not going on this expedition to shoot black people!
We are talking about elementary school kids..beat up? Maybe.
But luckily in the girls restroom she's only suseptible to ridicule and emotional abuse until she kills herself.
Ahh, the emotional abuse. I miss school...
People somehow forget that for the vast majority of humanity's existence children were raised in an environment where nudity and even sex was commonplace and all around them.
The effects of the puritan and repressed middle classes have been immense. Damn black suits!
There is always someone that jumps to rape in a toilet, but daily life is not the hardcore japanese porn you watched last night (so chill out).
It is more often the slow chipping away of the will to live. Ahhhh, good days *sob*.
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My father was the stealthiest sneak-thief in all of the Anklebiter lands and my mother was a warchanter renowned throughout all of Galt.
I, uh, load wagons.
So was your father a lawyer, politician or a CEO?
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On topic: Played a long-running drow game, with mostly white male players. It was fun for a woman to be domineering and condescending to the guys. We also came up with a lot of racial slurs for pale elves. Everyone seem to enjoy the inside-out universe.
Off topic:
Lawyer or no, Adamantine Dragon is right when he says the Colorado case is a landmark case, cuz it is. It will set precedents that future cases will base their arguments on.
Re: Little People with Penises in Little People with Vaginas' bathrooms.
This is only a bee in the bonnet of adults. Most little girls are not so fragile. Most little girls have brothers they've walked in on, or male dogs, or have changed a boy's diapers. Seeing a penis is no big whoop. Unless lunatic adults try to make it one.
What I, as a woman, want in a bathroom, is not the absence of penises. What I want is safety. As a matter of fact I want that at home, in my workplace, and as I travel too. I don't think a repressed-never-look-or-even-think-of-penises-until-you're-married worldview adds to my safety. In fact I think repression over time tends to lead to the opposite of safety.
After safety in a bathroom, cleanliness is a really, really close second.
Re: Girls want separate bathrooms:
I've travelled quite a bit, so I've experienced many bathroom scenarios. The woods of course. A unisex hole in the ground. Using snow to wipe on a Himilayan peak (snow is *nice*). Heated bidets in Rome. Ooooh. Men's bathrooms at ball games, concerts, and theater events-- cuz the men's line is always shorter. Holding it for 17 hours when a bus full of the most maliciously staring Kashmiri men let me know I would be gang-raped if I stepped off the crowded bus for a nanosecond. Staying as an overnight guest on Riker's Island, when I was visiting a friend-- and there was a lockdown. No one was allowed to leave. The only "accomodation" they could offer with a door that locked--was the bathroom.
But my all time favorite, was when I was in theater in college. I hung out with some of the most beautiful gay men you'd ever want to meet. I also became den mother to a handful of gay teen runaways. Southern Indiana in the 80's was not a good place to come out to your parents. A group of us usually hit the gay bar on weekends. And they dressed me up fine. I never looked so good before or since. Slutty. But good. I started off going to the women's restroom, because, you know, parts. And then one night a huge gay woman caught me alone, and beat the crap out of me for rejecting her. Called me a tease. I can kinda see her point, cuz, you know, gay bar. Still, I started using the men's bathroom cuz that's where all my friends were. And, as I said, safety. Much safer there. (I have many fabulous lesbian friends. But that particular lesbian was drunk, and strong, and mean.)
Anyway, one night, I found a sweet little thing crying in the men's room. He'd done a great drag show for a beginner and I told him so. I thought maybe he thought his performance hadn't gone well. But that wasn't it. He was crying because (stop here if you're squemish, I don't know how to double-spoiler) instead of taping down his man-bits in the front, as is customary, he'd taped his man-bits backwards...to himself... with duct tape. And now he couldn't get himself free. I smothered my laughter, and made compassionate noises. Then I went and got the poor underaged thing some scotch. Then I told him to bite down while I... ripped. That poor kid. So that's probably my most striking "woman afraid to see man parts in a bathroom" story.
A corollary is that the only arrest on my record is as a male prostitute. Not really, but almost. I was designated driver on Halloween for my friends and the gay bar. I decided to dress as a man. I did careful prosthetics with a mustache and razor stubble-- the works. I was pretty homely as a dude. Anyhoo the police in Southern Indiana didn't like gay men. Beat them up frequently.
They were waiting when the bar closed and started arresting them. I started screaming that they didn't have cause. So they turned their empty gazes towards me. They told me I was under arrest. And all my friends ran squealing away, many of them in *my* shoes. I asked what I was under arrest *for*. They said, "drunk driving." I said, "I'm the designated driver, I haven't had a drink all night. Besides I'm not even *in* the car." They didn't like my whole train of reasonable reasoning, so they said, "You'll take drunk driving, or you'll take prostitution." They were writing me up and asked for ID. I showed them my drivers' license. They had written me up as a man, and accused me of using a fake id, and threw my in jail overnight. In the morning I met with the judge. I said my ID wasn't fake. That girl was me. He asked me to prove it. I couldn't think of anything else so I opened my shirt and showed them my bo----- na fides. And that's the story of how I have an arrest record as a man.
So, I'm not quite clear on the moral of the story, except that I live in a malleable reality, where gender and body parts, and sexual preference are kinda like hair color to me; only superficially descriptive of who a person really is.
I think that's one of the reasons I enjoy the malleable realities of role-playing. I like a varied, and changing universe.
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Meh. 50 years ago this debate would be about the horrors of having white and black girls share the same restrooms. Standards evolve.
As for the original question, there is indeed a strong vein of misogyny and racial and gender insensitivity in the gaming and overall fannish community. It's not as bad in tabletop gaming as it is in video gaming or SF fandom, but as events such as the James Desborough debacle showed, it's still there.
In some ways things haven't improved since the 1970s, when "Eldritch Wizardry" had a naked woman chained to an altar. But at least people are starting to speak up and a dialogue of sorts is beginning. I have hope things will eventually get better. But it will probably be a generation or more before widespread improvement is seen.
Stop trying to separate the genders and most of this will sort itself out. humans separating the genders like this is a relatively new idea. and a failure
So was indoor plumbing, and I'm a fan.
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it seems like it happens a lot in RPGs where people decide that their character should be a racist misogynistic d-bag,
I haven't seen someone play anything like that since about 1994.
On topic: Played a long-running drow game, with mostly white male players. It was fun for a woman to be domineering and condescending to the guys. We also came up with a lot of racial slurs for pale elves. Everyone seem to enjoy the inside-out universe.
Off topic:
Lawyer or no, Adamantine Dragon is right when he says the Colorado case is a landmark case, cuz it is. It will set precedents that future cases will base their arguments on.Re: Little People with Penises in Little People with Vaginas' bathrooms.
This is only a bee in the bonnet of adults. Most little girls are not so fragile. Most little girls have brothers they've walked in on, or male dogs, or have changed a boy's diapers. Seeing a penis is no big whoop. Unless lunatic adults try to make it one.What I, as a woman, want in a bathroom, is not the absence of penises. What I want is safety. As a matter of fact I want that at home, in my workplace, and as I travel too. I don't think a repressed-never-look-or-even-think-of-penises-until-you're-married worldview adds to my safety. In fact I think repression over time tends to lead to the opposite of safety.
After safety in a bathroom, cleanliness is a really, really close second.
Re: Girls want separate bathrooms:
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Thanks for sharing your great stories!
Meh. 50 years ago this debate would be about the horrors of having white and black girls share the same restrooms. Standards evolve.
As for the original question, there is indeed a strong vein of misogyny and racial and gender insensitivity in the gaming and overall fannish community. It's not as bad in tabletop gaming as it is in video gaming or SF fandom, but as events such as the James Desborough debacle showed, it's still there.
In some ways things haven't improved since the 1970s, when "Eldritch Wizardry" had a naked woman chained to an altar. But at least people are starting to speak up and a dialogue of sorts is beginning. I have hope things will eventually get better. But it will probably be a generation or more before widespread improvement is seen.
But... I bought this alter... and these chains.
*holds up chains while showing puppy dog eyes*
The problem with the case of the transgender girl in a ladies bathroom is awkward - there isn't a right answer. On the one hand I'm all for people who don't identify with there birth gender changing it. On the other, I know a lot of women wouldn't be comfortable with someone they thought as a male entering a woman's bathroom. On the other, other hand entering the boys bathroom could be seriously harmful to there health. On the other, other, other hand allowing them to use a separate teacher's bathroom or some such might feel exclusionary...
Without a right answer that will help everyone, it's really awkward to judge a case like this, but I suppose at the end of the day it boils down to does your biology make you a man or a woman, or does your belief make it so? I, personally, believe someone can choose that, but I can see why other people are uncomfortable.
I would say that I'm as comfortable with my two daughters using a bathroom that a trans person uses as I am of them using any bathroom - they know what penises are, having two brothers and having walked in on me while I'm getting changed often enough, and I have no more objection to them seeing someone elses than I would them seeing another woman's vagina. That is, I don't want them to see such things at all, at least until they're a lot older.
As for roleplaying...I really prefer to keep racist stuff out most of the time. I RP to relax, after all. But using racial and sexist issues in a character, done well, can help make a character interesting. However, simply adding them does not make the character deep or interesting. It's important to remember that. If such a feature is going to be a part of a character, I would inform others of it, and make sure everyone is comfortable.
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Yes, because all men become dick wolves in the brief period when they are inside a bathroom.
It is like barbarian rage. They see a woman in that brief period of time, they go berserk.
Well, I was talking about the fact that people used to try and beat me up for having long hair. One of there favorite places to try that was a bathroom, outside of teacher oversight. I would imagine that someone walking in who those kinds of idiots know is trans is probably going to get a pummeling. And while I would never, ever suggest that mental abuse is better or less harmful, in the short term having someone twice your size jump up and down on your skull is a real problem.
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Didn't you get the memo? Men are the source of all evil, and women never do anything bad /sarcasm
Bigotry and discrimination goes both ways. I can have that be reflected in my characters and NPCs in D&D as well.
Didn't you get the memo? Men are the source of all evil, and women never do anything bad /sarcasm
Bigotry and discrimination goes both ways. I can have that be reflected in my characters and NPCs in D&D as well.
Well, I know a young woman who almost starved herself to death in highschool because of bullying, so I know that's not true. It is true that woman face a lot of problems caused by guys that men don't get in return, or don't get to near the same degree, but that's because our whole system is pretty much guys on top. I don't think the world would be any better with ladies in charge instead, just different.
That, however, is another topic entirely.
And, yes, you can have bigotry and such going both ways. Personally, I'd make sure my fellow players were OK with such themes, same as heavily sexual themes and for pretty much the same reason - it's meant to be fun, I don't want someone to be uncomfortable or get freaked out.
Hello Blaze, I am Boomstick.
All this body modification is reminding me of the culture novels.
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Unisex bathrooms, locker rooms, showers. The obvious solution. Getting people to stop freaking out so much over "parts" would be a MAJOR blow for transgender equality.
Couldn't agree more.
Given that it's a girls' bathroom, not a boys' bathroom, so their little girls will never see the transgender girl's boy parts, that objection doesn't seem particularly plausible.Back to the trangendered elementary school issue. I would suggest that many people opposed to the final ruling are completely aware of and sympathize with the position of the transgendered girl.
They just STILL DON'T WANT penises in their little girl's bathrooms.
If I were the father of a young girl in Colorado, I would find that objection very plausible for the following reason: if, according to the law, it's discrimination to exclude someone with a penis from a girl's bathroom, is it not also discrimination to exclude someone with a penis from the showers in a girl's locker room at my daughter's school? For that matter, is it not discrimination to exclude someone with a penis from the women's locker room at any gym? What about a women's-only gym? What about facilities at a women's shelter for rape survivors?
To me, the Colorado "bathroom of choice" ruling seems to be setting a very bad legal precedent that tramples on women's rights. If there is no expectation of freedom from the presence of a penis in a women's bathroom, how can you legally argue that there is an expectation of freedom from the presence of a penis in any space, anywhere?
And, for the record, I do not believe bathrooms are not categorized by the genders of their users (or else there would be more than two categories of bathroom). Bathrooms are categorized by the biological sex of the reproductive organs of their users. "Men's room" and "women's room" are just euphemisms for "room for people with penises" and "room for people with vaginas". The only possible grey area I see involves hermaphrodites; everyone else should have no choice whatsoever as to which bathroom they get to use.
Not sure if this is just meant ironically, but the focus on certain types of genitalia being "present" in certain bathrooms just seems completely absurd to me.
Here's an anecdote of mine: When i was a little kid, approximately the age of Coy Mathis probably even younger, my family used to go to the beach on vacation sometimes, where me and my brother were completely buck naked. So were other children, including girls.
The kicker? Nobody cared.
It's probably because I live in europe.
Yep, times have changed and the fear of perverts, pedos and the like has gone up up up!
Stay tuned.
Something must be done.
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The only outwardly aggressive racism I've seen in-game in my various groups, is from a few old-school 2e players who have an INTENSE hatred for drow, and a slight disdain for elves in general. Their hatred for drow comes from their original DM who glorified them as god-like, unkillable, ultimate DMPC monstrosities whom the players were constantly being thrown up against.
Even many years(and editions) later, they still harbor intense resentment for anything drow-related at all. On the flipside, my wife LOVES the drow race. Even before she ever played actual D&D, she had read many FR novels about Drizz't, Eliastree, etc.
So, my wife joined in a few smaller D&D games, alongside these old-school players, and of course, she wanted to make a drow. They warned her how much they hated all drow, to which I(as DM at the time) stepped in and informed them how I'd boot them from the game if they tried bullying another player, for ANY reason.
Thankfully they were smart enough to leave their baggage at home for those games. Not a great idea to bully another player, especially the DM's wife.
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it seems like it happens a lot in RPGs where people decide that their character should be a racist misogynistic d-bag, and then use the "but its in my backstory" card when i ask them about it
why does every Barbarian or other fringe type PC have to be like that?
i'm all for coming up with compelling backstories, it makes my job easier. racism and misogyny is not compelling, its just offensive and tends to put gamers in a bad mood when the Barbarian wont listen to the wizard PC because "she's a southern wench"
I haven't really seen this. Its not too common in my neck of the woods I guess.
That said, a person might create a character with flaws that he will grow out of as he learns more of the world. Many years ago I created a character whose whole mindset was based on an article in Dragon ("The Elven point of View"). As a result he had somewhat bigoted attitudes towards dwarves. After meeting and adventuring with dwarves, these attitudes began to change. For me it was just a role playing thing.
Maybe the misogynistic barbarian will change his tune after the wizard saves his bacon?
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If the person does identify as the gender opposite to that of their body, I wouldn't call it preferential treatment to let them live their lives as the gender they identify as. I grant that there are arguments in such a case against it that are not based on or off hate, and that the people making those arguments do not hate transgendered people. In such cases it's lack of understanding for the position of transgendered people.
You wouldn't call homosexual marriage preferential treatment, just because "homosexuals have the same right as everyone else, to marry someone of the opposite gender".Au contraire my friend. I have seen exactly that argument presented many, many times. And it is, in fact, quite true. Homosexuals always HAVE HAD the same right to marry someone of the opposite sex, and heterosexuals always HAVE BEEN just as unable to marry someone of the same sex. The problem isn't that the rights are different, it's that the DESIRES are different. Having the right to do something you don't want to do is just as meaningless as being denied the right to do something you don't want to do. What prior laws have denied is the "right" of homosexuals to marry who they WANT.
But guess what, if I want to marry TWO women, I can't do that either. Just as even now a man can't marry TWO other men.
But I suspect you'll see that change too.
The fundamental problem is that what some people see as "preferential treatment" is seen by other people as "a fundamental right."
Back to the trangendered elementary school issue. I would suggest that many people opposed to the final ruling are completely aware of and sympathize with the position of the transgendered girl.
They just STILL DON'T WANT penises in their little girl's bathrooms.
If you genuinely sympathized with the little girl, you'd realize by going into the boy's bathroom she is in genuine danger of getting beaten up and harassed, and if this were an adult setting, raped.
Her...
If a particular public bathroom is truly an environment where a criminal expects to be able to get away with assault easily... what is stopping him from just hiding in the bathroom stall and waiting for the opportunity anyway?
Everyone is in danger of getting beaten up, robbed, and/or raped wherever they go. Is this more likely to occur in a public bathroom that may or may not have people walking in and out constantly?
The only outwardly aggressive racism I've seen in-game in my various groups, is from a few old-school 2e players who have an INTENSE hatred for drow, and a slight disdain for elves in general. Their hatred for drow comes from their original DM who glorified them as god-like, unkillable, ultimate DMPC monstrosities whom the players were constantly being thrown up against.
Even many years(and editions) later, they still harbor intense resentment for anything drow-related at all. On the flipside, my wife LOVES the drow race. Even before she ever played actual D&D, she had read many FR novels about Drizz't, Eliastree, etc.
So, my wife joined in a few smaller D&D games, alongside these old-school players, and of course, she wanted to make a drow. They warned her how much they hated all drow, to which I(as DM at the time) stepped in and informed them how I'd boot them from the game if they tried bullying another player, for ANY reason.
Thankfully they were smart enough to leave their baggage at home for those games. Not a great idea to bully another player, especially the DM's wife.
Well, speciesism, and elves aren't people.
Drow in 2nd ed were monsters, and their spell protection was uber high. Good on you for sticking up for your wife, but if they are despised in the setting, why couldn't the players play characters that despise drow?
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In my RotRL game, I play an elf
My friend plays a drow
our characters verbally snipe back and forth, threaten each other, disparage each other's cultures and heritage while generally trying to one-up each other contstantly
we also invariably wind up fighting together and have accomplished far more as a combat team than we ever would while apart, all the while with our exchanges slowly having gone from hateful vitriol to witty sarcastic banter
the other players in our group enjoy the humorous roleplay and have taken quite a bit of fun from watching the two of our characters steadfastly refuse to admit that the two are actually becoming quasi-companions and possibly even friends
we don't need to be bullied by our GM into pretending that such tension would not exist
we don't need to avoid racism/speciesism/sexism/sizeism or any other ism
we are a mature group and deal with things well
it helps that we all, you know, make sure that the biggest rule we follow is making sure everyone is having fun, gets to let their hair down and just enjoys playing an awesome roleplaying game
ugh too many words
If you think a player hates the drow, imagine someone in a fantasy world that has seen their handiwork.
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Completely relevant for people playing such characters.
Now I've played elf hating characters, and played non elf hating characters. There is rp potential. I remember in second darkness I played a cavalier that tried to preach honour and chivalry to elf warriors after a battle (at this time he had a drow girlfriend so he is getting really... into elf culture). The older elves did not care for rules and honour, or this outsider's preachings, they only wanted to kill, torture and preserve their people. Drow hostages were for them, only fit to torture and then execute.
My LG character was dismayed at so savage a people. Their best side was not on display in that conflict, so he ended up disliking the elves more than drow (although the drow were his enemies and he gave his word to combat them). He didn't come across much of the drow handiwork, attacking their bases and such, but a character who had felt the whip of drow raids would be filled with a lot of hate.
If someone wants to play a truly hated race, welcome to the life of Viconia.
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So, my wife joined in a few smaller D&D games, alongside these old-school players, and of course, she wanted to make a drow. They warned her how much they hated all drow, to which I(as DM at the time) stepped in and informed them how I'd boot them from the game if they tried bullying another player, for ANY reason.
Good. I think I remember you mentioning your wife's situation before, but never heard about the outcome. Glad to see that kind of behavior called out for what it is.