I'm guessing it's similar to Kroina, but I've recently become insanely curious about Lymieris. I mean, holy cow, dat portfolio.
Similarly Falayna and Kelinahat, Neshen, Olheon, Svarozic* are pretty friggin' awesome to behold, while Tanagaar just screams "I'm batman... with owls!".
Vildeis, Winlas, and Zohls are great story fodder.
Meanwhile, Ghenshau seems a little... hm.
Anyway, anything else known about these guys?
* Technically, he has a pathfinder wiki entry, but, uh, it doesn't contain anything on him.
Yup, I liked the Empyreal Lords writeups; a bunch of them are very intriguing and they're certainly a varied bunch. I keep meaning to do a review for Chronicles of Righteousness.
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What about Chucaro
I know there are going to be plenty of folks that boil her goals down to "Hey hey hey hey, smoke flayleaf everyday", but that Egyptian aesthetic in the holy symbol and the possible cultural hooks that could spin out of that have me really curious about her now.
Vildeis' whole thing is a rabbit hole I'm still falling into. She's a real gamechanger for some campaigns/plot-threads I want to run.
I strongly suspect Ghenshau would appeal to Tolkien's pastoral and "good old ways" preferences in a lot of ways. Speaking of, both Ghenshau and the chaotic good Hembad offer some very neat complimentary and counterpoint figures to Erastil, along with Andoletta.
But man, those worshippers and minions entries for some of the Empyreals really explode possibilities all over the place. Freakin' Ashava's running crew for example. :D (and seriously, I keep rolling possible images around in my head for those celestial girtablilus and I wind up wanting all of them)
Black Butterfly and Vildeis were my surprise favorites out of those that debuted here. And Korada's entry just confirmed my love for that particular Empyreal Lord. :)
Vildeis' whole thing is a rabbit hole I'm still falling into. She's a real gamechanger for some campaigns/plot-threads I want to run.
yeah; if anyone could redeem Laori Vaus, it would be a follower of Vildeis. :p
A Vildeis-worshiping Laori Vaus would be lulz. If they ever bring her back in a future AP or Module...
I'm still digging Chadali myself.
Hell, she has half-celestial minotaurs as allies!
She'd be good friends with the deity of a certain race* of mine in my own campaign world.
* = Said race being what I call the holstaur, a half-minotaur (looks more human) race which happens to be all female. Don't ask where I got the idea.
I really need to give more love to my other homebrew races.
Actually, I'll see what Empyreal Lords would fit them well after work!
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Vildeis' whole thing is a rabbit hole I'm still falling into. She's a real gamechanger for some campaigns/plot-threads I want to run.yeah; if anyone could redeem Laori Vaus, it would be a follower of Vildeis. :p
A Vildeis-worshiping Laori Vaus would be lulz. If they ever bring her back in a future AP or Module...
Laori's heading in a different direction already in our local Golarion, but man Vildeis is certainly going to play into the larger messy conflict that she's kickstarting. :)
Actually, probably Lymnieris too...
(I was going to say she probably wouldn't feel at home with Vildeis considering how that Empyreal might actually look down on enjoying their suffering and therefore undermining what it's all about, but then again mainstream Kuthonites were freaked out by Vaus with a side helping of "You're doing it wrong!" ;) )
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And oh yeah, what about Eritrice. Specifically her origins in being a divine truth accidentalied by Geryon's heresy factory?
It seems like that would raise even more questions than Ragathiel's ascension! Was she a cosmic truth that the devils mistakenly stubmled upon, or was she the literal "Hope in Hell"?
Planning to ask James Jacobs about that?
Warning, long post about homebrew races ahead!
I did say earlier that I'd list out the favourite Empyreal Lords of my homebrew races, so here they are.
Akrab, tribal scorpion-folk who have a history of both honorable conduct and ruthless raiding as well as knowledge of many desert secrets:
- Dalenydra, Kelinahat, Lalaci, Ragathiel, Soralyon, Valani.
Akavish, spider-folk who mostly believe in logic but do not ban worship of gods outright:
- Eritrice, Irez, Kroina, Ondisso, Shei, Soralyon.
Chloroph (Really need a better name for these guys), half-plant humanoids with a vague resemblance to elves:
- Ashava, Ghenshau, Halcamora, Immonhiel, Jalaijatali, Seramaydiel, Tanagaar.
Holstaur, half-minotaur race that is all female and redeemed from the deprivations of Baphomet and Lamashtu:
- Arqueros, Chadali, Falayna, Ondisso, Valani. Those in the north add Tolc and Pulura to that list, while those in tropical areas add Immonhiel and Jalaijatali.
Kunian, an enigmatic off-shoot of a winged humanoid race.
They have a caste system tied to an alien but Lawful Good patron deity. These choices are tied to specific castes:
- Eldas, Rowdrosh (Worker)
- Andoletta, Zohls, Hembad, Tolc, Ylimancha (Middle Class)
- Arqueros, Damerrich, Falayna, Ragathiel (Warrior)
- Eritrice, Korada, Pulura, Svarozic, Thisamet, Winlas (Priest)
- Olheon, Shei, Keltheald, Ondisso (Nobility)
Marahnian, another off-shoot of the winged humanoid race. Infused with dragon blood, many of them show zealous devotion to their Lawful Neutral patron deity:
- Arqueros, Benorus, Chadali, Eritrice, Ragathiel, Vildeis.
The areas of concern for Damerrich and Smiad overlap with those of the Marahnian patron deity, so they were not included.
Lerren Elf, also called the Mountain Elves, a race of somewhat reclusive elves that have tried to mend the relations between the drow and the other elves while striving to achieve enlightement in the contemplation of various arts from arcane magic to martial arts:
- Chucaro, Eritrice, Korada, Ondisso, Shei, Soralyon, Zohls.
Napici Namah, also called pirahnafolk, a race distantly related to the locathah that share the pack tactics and ferocity of their namesake fish:
- Cernunnos, Kelinahat, Ylimancha.
Zarkaia, the closest link to the ancient winged humanoid race that is the progenitor of the kunians and marahnians. Zarkaias are almost obsessed with arcane magic, and had once been banished to the Plane of Shadow after evil deities of the arcane punished them for overstepping their boundaries:
- Black Butterfly, Bharnarol, Eritrice, Irez, Soralyon, Tolc.
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I wonder why this thread suddenly died.
No matter, I am here to bring it back to us!
I should do a list of Empyreal Lords that possibly appeal to the Core Races, and another for the Golarion Human ethnicities...
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I should do a list of Empyreal Lords that possibly appeal to the Core Races, and another for the Golarion Human ethnicities...
Go for it! This would be VERY useful for folks looking to anchor their characters' culture and beliefs. Even if they stick to the Big 20 gods, having an idea of what Empyreals might also be revered in their region is a good way to bring their outlooks to life. :)
Heh, nice to have a prime motivator! I'll give the list a shot when I can!! :D
Also, I hope my homebrews didn't sound boring. I still need to practice my presentation skills...
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Alright, time to do this! I'll pick six Empyreal Lords that would (at least in my opinion) appeal the most to a given race, with the exception of humans and elves. Please feel free to add a correction if this list warrants one in your opinion and please note that some of the Empyreal Lords seem more common for individual worship regardless of race (Vildeis), considering their spheres of influence.
Dwarf: Arqueros, Bharnarol, Damerrich, Olheon, Ragathiel, Winlas
Elf: Arshea, Chadali, Ghenshau, Halcamora, Seramaydiel, Soralyon
- Avistani Elves add Immonhiel and Tanagaar to this list.
- Kyonin Elves add Andoletta and Shei to this list.
- Forlorn Elves add Sinashakti to this list.
- Snowcaster Elves add Tolc to this list.
Gnome: Bharnarol, Eritrice, Ghenshau, Lalaci, Picoperi, Zohls
Half-Elf: Arshea, Black Butterfly, Chadali, Eritrice, Irez, Korada
Half-Orc: Arqueros, Chucaro, Damerrich, Pulura, Ragathiel, Valani
Halfling: Black Butterfly, Jaidz, Pulura, Ragathiel, Sinashakti, Tanagaar
Due to bad timing on my part as well as the fact that this post is as large as it is, I'll make a separate post for the human cultures of Golarion!
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Time to complete this list! I'm only giving four to each, but feel free to add fitting ones that I missed.
Humanity in Golarion
(Some cultures are missing from this list)
Chelaxian: Damerrich, Eritrice, Halcamora, Ragathiel
Garundi: Bharnarol, Chucaro, Seramaydiel, Sinashakti
Keleshite: Eritrice, Lalaci, Olheon, Seramaydiel
Kellid: Pulura, Rowdrosh, Tolc, Valani
Mwangi: Immonhiel, Jalaijatali, Picoperi, Ylimancha
Shoanti: Black Butterfly, Jaidz, Pulura, Valani
Taldan: Arqueros, Falayna, Halcamora, Zohls
Tian: Arshea, Chucaro, Ghenshau, Korada
Ulfen: Andoletta, Falayna, Tolc, Ylimancha
Varisian: Ashava, Black Butterfly, Irez, Soralyon
Vudrani: Chadali, Korada, Soralyon, Winlas
These homebrew lists are supercool -- might steal Emilia's for my homebrew. :-D
I usually take the word homebrew in a non-canon context (and usually in terms of worlds outside Golarion), but thanks! :D
Those just seemed like the empyreal lords that made sense in Golarion for those cultures in my own view.
Also, anyone got ideas for obediences for the lesser empyreal lords by any chance?
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Benorus seems like a sure-win for svirfneblins and dwarves that don't have that peculiar hangup about certain subterranean creatures. Azruverda were practically made to be favored servants of that particular Empyreal Lord.
Half-Orc: Valani
I still say this is a perfect match.
Garundi: Bharnarol, Chucaro, Seramaydiel, Sinashakti
Don't forget Shei! :D
I did say I'd only put four per human ethnicity earlier.
Maybe later I'll make another list to include the "lesser" empyreal lords for the Core races.
Then again, I'd still want to see if anyone can come up with obediences for them, for the sake of the Mystery Cultist Prestige Class.
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Also, anyone got ideas for obediences for the lesser empyreal lords by any chance?
Examples that spring to mind;
Benorus - must either inter oneself below the earth (such as in a cave or tomb or even a shallow grave), remaining in utter darkness, while meditating upon some item or scrap of lore regarding the darklands.
Cernunnos - must travel into the wild, so that no man-made structure or road or planted field lies within sight in any direction, and perform an act in celebration of fertility, ranging from intercourse with a partner, to arranging for undomesticated animals to be bred to one another, or even simply planting wild trees, of a type of no agricultural benefit to man.
Dalenydra - must devote an hour of the day to providing non-magical healing services to those wounded through violence (even if said violence was a bar-brawl, and not actual warfare).
Eldas - must spend an hour either building or maintaining a defensive structure, which can be as involved as maintaining the walls of a great city, or as simple as making a campsite along a busy road more defensible, by shoring up earthworks or cutting away undergrowth that could provide cover to brigands along the road.
Hembad - must learn genealogical information regarding oneself or another, and discover or impart new insights to the related person present regarding this ancestral or familial tie. This can involve libraries full of musty tomes, or simply interviewing a companion to learn about their family, and recounting a tale of an ancestor or distant relation that might have some bearing on their current situation (using knowledge - history, the rolls growing more difficult if you keep going back to the same companions and delving further into their family history...).
Some of these might be open to a more generous option, where a single deed could count as an obedience, at the GM's option. A follower of Delenydra might count as having completed her full hours obedience if she uses the Heal skills First Aid, Treat Deadly Wound or Treat Poison options within the range of threat from one or more enemies (actual 'battlefield healing'), for instance, or a follower of Hembad might count as having done a full hour obedience if he offers a new tactic that requires the use of two or more of his companions to complete, such as one character repositioning another into an area effect spell or ability from another (although the bonus for suggesting such a synergistic use of abilities would only apply the first time it is suggested, and not apply to teamwork stunts they already have discovered on their own!).
Am I the only one who feels slightly bothered by Valani's Obedience due to needing to destroy valuable items? Unless a DM deems it fine for someone else to supply the worshiper with said items, that payment is most likely going to be taken from the character's inventory and thus brings him or her below the WBL / the proper balance in regards to the other PCs, what with exhausting 350 gold per week. This Obedience is one of the two that I find a bit difficult to deal with, the other being Ragathiel's.
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Am I the only one who feels slightly bothered by Valani's Obedience due to needing to destroy valuable items? Unless a DM deems it fine for someone else to supply the worshiper with said items, that payment is most likely going to be taken from the character's inventory and thus brings him or her below the WBL / the proper balance in regards to the other PCs, what with exhausting 350 gold per week. This Obedience is one of the two that I find a bit difficult to deal with, the other being Ragathiel's.
Yes, you're the only one who thinks burning items worth 50gp to get a situational bonus of +2 to saves against one energy type is going to destroy the non-existant balance of the game by upsetting the not-a-rule-but-a-guideline WBL. The moment the murderhobo band (aka the PCs) enters any "dungeon", burnable supplies worth 50gp are usually in abundance.
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Am I the only one who feels slightly bothered by Valani's Obedience due to needing to destroy valuable items? Unless a DM deems it fine for someone else to supply the worshiper with said items, that payment is most likely going to be taken from the character's inventory and thus brings him or her below the WBL / the proper balance in regards to the other PCs, what with exhausting 350 gold per week. This Obedience is one of the two that I find a bit difficult to deal with, the other being Ragathiel's.
Were I playing a PC devoted to Valani, I'd probably make an effort to collect various evil things that the party generally doesn't / can't sell anyway, like unholy symbols, or the shiny masterwork set of torture knives found on the kuthonite cenobite, or the creepy skinsaw masks or that ridiculous masterwork ogre hook that nobody can use, sell or conceive of anybody ever wanting to buy.
Were I GMing such a PC, I'd allow items to be either partially burned (ruin said MW ogre hook on day one, but only slag 50 gp. worth of it's value over a six day perioid), or the obeisance to last a number of days equal to the value of the item destroyed divided by 50 (the 300 gp. MW ogre hook allows you to fulfill your obeisance for six days), so that the Valani follower doesn't have to 'overburn' items.
Having gone through the first half of Rise of the Runelords, it seems to be crawling with unsellable junk. Not just masterwork ogre hooks, but magical ones. Skinsaw cult murder masks with magical properties. I vaguely recall a masterwork dogslicer or horsechopper showing up somewhere. Unless your party has really good black market connections, or a 'fence' of epically dubious morals who has 'evil cults and giant inbred anthropophagic hillbillies' among his customerbase, you probably weren't gonna get to sell that stuff anyway, and might as well burn it for bennies from Valani.
Other APs dump Urgathoan holy symbols in your lap, which, unless your party has friends in Geb, are pretty much only good for burning.
I'm finding that tons of low-level encounters in the early parts of Jade Regent have up to twice their NPC WBL in poison on them, which you'll rarely be able to sell or use, so you might as well burn.
I definitely would allow burning an item '50 gp. at a time' or getting multiple days worth of obeisance out of a single burning (so, MW ogre hook = 6 days worth of +2 to X, although it you want to change that bonus on day 2, you might have to eat 250 gp. worth of that earlier sacrifice and burn something new...).
Much like the 'how much onyx do I need to animate this undead?' or 'how much is this powdered diamond worth?' quandaries, I'm inclined to be generous in these sorts of cases and not deliberately screw the players by arbitrarily increasing the costs on them.
"Yes, you destroyed the idol of Lamashtu worth 500 gp. You get a +2 bonus to saves vs. acid for one day. Unfortunately, it's night, so it's gone by the time you wake up. Ha ha! I'm the smartest GM ever!"
Am I the only one who feels slightly bothered by Valani's Obedience due to needing to destroy valuable items? Unless a DM deems it fine for someone else to supply the worshiper with said items, that payment is most likely going to be taken from the character's inventory and thus brings him or her below the WBL / the proper balance in regards to the other PCs, what with exhausting 350 gold per week. This Obedience is one of the two that I find a bit difficult to deal with, the other being Ragathiel's.Yes, you're the only one who thinks burning items worth 50gp to get a situational bonus of +2 to saves against one energy type is going to destroy the non-existant balance of the game by upsetting the not-a-rule-but-a-guideline WBL. The moment the murderhobo band (aka the PCs) enters any "dungeon", burnable supplies worth 50gp are usually in abundance.
Did you not see the word "slightly" before "bothered" there, or did you just deliberately ignore it? :D
Also, rather good point there Set. I guess it might be more problematic when you don't play an Adventure Path, though.
Then again, if I was a DM and knew someone worshipped Valani, I'd let them gather up things to burn from enemies in such a manner.
Here is a question how might the various Empyreal Lords relate to the mythologies, and churches of the various good deities; as well as the deities themselves.
For instance, I can not help but see Falayna being venerated as some sort of archangel figure for the church of Iomadae.
I wonder if this sort of thing might make sense for golarion and what sort of other examples of this people might find?
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Ragathiel definitely has a strong connection with the church of Iomedae. His own Herald, a powerful angel called the Hand of Vengeance, requested to be transferred to Iomedae's service shortly after her ascension, and Ragathiel assented, allowing him to become the Hand of the Inheritor. It makes sense in my opinion that Ragathielites would sign on with Iomedae's knights as fast friends or maybe competitive rivals ("How many demons can we slay? I bet I can slay more than you!").
Since the book came out it's been my opinion that Empyreal Lords are really cool, but more usable on a societal level as part of a pantheon than a sole deity to be worshipped. However, that still allows for empyreal cultists to be unusually devoted to one particular empyreal lord, I just think they'd be less common than people who worship one major god and also situationally pray to or venerate empyreals, or worship collections of empyreals, or just worship all of the gods and empyreal lords based on the situation, with some usually favored over others. But that's just my impression.
So since I don't have Chronicles of the Righteous (it's top of my sourcebook wishlist!), I was just wondering: which Empyreal Lords (other than Ragathiel) have paladin followers?
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So since I don't have Chronicles of the Righteous (it's top of my sourcebook wishlist!), I was just wondering: which Empyreal Lords (other than Ragathiel) have paladin followers?
Any of the NG or LG Empyreals really. It's just that they become stranger and further from certain stereotypes as you move towards them. Just sticking to LG, paladins of Lymnieris would be very different from paladins of Dammerich who in turn would be very different from paladins of Zohls. Some of them might not have dedicated orders on Golarion, but they can definitely have paladins. :)
Are there any particular Empyreals catching your eye for that use? There's been quite a bit of discussion about paladins of Lymnieris elsewhere, and the community is definitely able to come up with something to help out potential paladin players for the others!
edit-Ah, just saw that you don't have the book yet. Are there any particular themes you'd like to explore as a paladin? Because there just might be an Empyreal that matches them. :)
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I want to play a high dexterity, finesse paladin of Ghenshau. Lazily walking, untouched, through crowds of evil creatures smiting with a yawn.
Possibly relevant to your concept, even if he isn't the hero. ;)
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So since I don't have Chronicles of the Righteous (it's top of my sourcebook wishlist!), I was just wondering: which Empyreal Lords (other than Ragathiel) have paladin followers?
Falayna (LG female archon empyreal lord of femininity, martial training, and rings) is specifically mentioned as having Female Paladins in her minions.
The Empyreal Lord I'm really jazzed about making a Paladin for, though is Arqueros -- LG male archon empyreal lord of bodyguards, protection, and watchfulness.
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Time to complete this list! I'm only giving four to each, but feel free to add fitting ones that I missed.
Humanity in Golarion
Taldan: Arqueros, Falayna, Halcamora, Zohls
I would think Eritrice should be on the Taldan list.
She's a lion, and she is favored by Bards, which makes her a natural patron for Lion's Blades.
She's also anti-devil, which plays into the Chelaxian rivalry.
So since I don't have Chronicles of the Righteous (it's top of my sourcebook wishlist!), I was just wondering: which Empyreal Lords (other than Ragathiel) have paladin followers?Any of the NG or LG Empyreals really. It's just that they become stranger and further from certain stereotypes as you move towards them. Just sticking to LG, paladins of Lymnieris would be very different from paladins of Dammerich who in turn would be very different from paladins of Zohls. Some of them might not have dedicated orders on Golarion, but they can definitely have paladins. :)
Are there any particular Empyreals catching your eye for that use? There's been quite a bit of discussion about paladins of Lymnieris elsewhere, and the community is definitely able to come up with something to help out potential paladin players for the others!
edit-Ah, just saw that you don't have the book yet. Are there any particular themes you'd like to explore as a paladin? Because there just might be an Empyreal that matches them. :)
well, I had a rather odd idea for a paladin/sorcerer/eldritch knight based off of: this NPC from NPC Codex. The oddness is because I want to try the Shadow bloodline for the sorcerer, so Tanagaar, Kelinahat, and Benorus seem reasonable, as they grant the Darkness domain. Any thoughts or suggestions?
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well, I had a rather odd idea for a paladin/sorcerer/eldritch knight based off of: this NPC from NPC Codex. The oddness is because I want to try the Shadow bloodline for the sorcerer, so Tanagaar, Kelinahat, and Benorus seem reasonable, as they grant the Darkness domain. Any thoughts or suggestions?
Of those three, I really like Tanagaar. Benorus would work if you really were going to be an underground delver (A Dwarven Stonelord Paladin of Benorus would be very cool.), but Kelinahat seems like a really odd choice thematically for a Paladin.
Plenty of others could work, though, just really depends on what you want him to focus on. For some reason Bharnoral (creativity, invention, persistence) stuck out to me, but I'm not sure that's what you're looking for.
well, I had a rather odd idea for a paladin/sorcerer/eldritch knight based off of: this NPC from NPC Codex. The oddness is because I want to try the Shadow bloodline for the sorcerer, so Tanagaar, Kelinahat, and Benorus seem reasonable, as they grant the Darkness domain. Any thoughts or suggestions?Of those three, I really like Tanagaar. Benorus would work if you really were going to be an underground delver (A Dwarven Stonelord Paladin of Benorus would be very cool.), but Kelinahat seems like a really odd choice thematically for a Paladin.
Plenty of others could work, though, just really depends on what you want him to focus on. For some reason Bharnoral (creativity, invention, persistence) stuck out to me, but I'm not sure that's what you're looking for.
Tanagaar is the one I've been most interested in for the concept, with his focus on watchfulness and guarding things. Since guards and scouts are mentioned on the Wiki among his worshippers, there'd be a nice balance between caution (staying guard) and activity (scouting for danger.)
Truthfully, this concept would probably work better with a Ranger, but the Paladin makes for better synergy in mechanics.
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Have you considered the Black Butterfly? She isn't just darkness-themed, she actually is darkness made manifest. CG, Desna's living shadow, looks like a drow azata, veeeery quiet. Where Desna is the Song of Spheres, Black Butterfly is the Silence Between. :)
She also has a connection to Zon-Kuthon: She was the one who found him after he went missing and guided him back to Golarion, for better or worse.
Edit-Ah paladin. He's not an Empyreal, but there's also the god Tsukiyo, the Tien god of the moon, spirits, and jade. Especially interesting because he's sort of an Asian Osiris(right down to his murder and resurrection) AND because he's a LG god that offers the Darkness and Madness domains.
Have you considered the Black Butterfly? She isn't just darkness-themed, she actually is darkness made manifest. CG, Desna's living shadow, looks like a drow azata, veeeery quiet. Where Desna is the Song of Spheres, Black Butterfly is the Silence Between. :)
She also has a connection to Zon-Kuthon: She was the one who found him after he went missing and guided him back to Golarion, for better or worse.
Edit-Ah paladin. He's not an Empyreal, but there's also the god Tsukiyo, the Tien god of the moon, spirits, and jade. Especially interesting because he's sort of an Asian Osiris(right down to his murder and resurrection) AND because he's a LG god that offers the Darkness and Madness domains.
I had forgotten about the Black Butterfly, but she'd work well for this concept if she could have paladin followers. Tsukiyo would have been my first choice, tbh, but Tanagaar's more thematically appropriate.
Have you considered the Black Butterfly? She isn't just darkness-themed, she actually is darkness made manifest. CG, Desna's living shadow, looks like a drow azata, veeeery quiet. Where Desna is the Song of Spheres, Black Butterfly is the Silence Between. :)
She also has a connection to Zon-Kuthon: She was the one who found him after he went missing and guided him back to Golarion, for better or worse.
Also, she singlehandedly fights the entire Cthulhu Mythos.
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Also, she singlehandedly fights the entire Cthulhu Mythos.Have you considered the Black Butterfly? She isn't just darkness-themed, she actually is darkness made manifest. CG, Desna's living shadow, looks like a drow azata, veeeery quiet. Where Desna is the Song of Spheres, Black Butterfly is the Silence Between. :)
She also has a connection to Zon-Kuthon: She was the one who found him after he went missing and guided him back to Golarion, for better or worse.
Well, to be fair, she does so along with Desna, who's awesome. They are pretty much on their own, though, and Desna has other areas of concern, too.
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Glad folks are still digging these guys. I just assigned some new love for an Empyreal Lord or two today. So... stay tuned. :)
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Glad folks are still digging these guys. I just assigned some new love for an Empyreal Lord or two today. So... stay tuned. :)
I'm actually really happy I made this thread, now. It died off so quickly the first time, and I really haven't had anything to add, but it's doing great things. :D
Thanks, Wes!
:D
Hahah! My first question on reading Wes' post was, "Who?! What?! When?! Where?!" followed by, "I wonder if Mika-" and then I noticed your post.
Well ninja'd (by seven hours, but still).
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Glad folks are still digging these guys. I just assigned some new love for an Empyreal Lord or two today. So... stay tuned. :)
Kewl. :)
Just don't give them gimpy mental stats.
Having plugged my thread I feel a little obligated to add something to this one. Hm...
Oh! Let's think up which empyreal lords would be most thematically appropriate for each AP. I’ll start with Kingmaker since I’ve been thinking about that a lot. (An * means a particularly good fit)
Arshea: Wes thinks Arshea would fit in this and any other AP where the PCs settle down. I’m…not so sure Arshea would fit into the “culture” of the area…
“Ain’t bathing’ once a week good enough for yer? Y’trying to make me pretty ‘r sumthin’?”
Eldas: You’re literally building cities, and you’ll no doubt want to place the buildings just right.
Immonhiel*: Three words: convert the boggards.
Jalaijatali*: A rivers divinity who doesn’t reek of country bumpkin (or practice human sacrifice).
Olheon*: You play as a ruler in this AP, I can’t think of a better empyreal lord for this AP or a better AP for her to fit in.
Uskyeria: Country bumpkins are asking you to kill animals all the time in this AP.
You can no doubt think up more that I’ve neglected.
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Oh! Let's think up which empyreal lords would be most thematically appropriate for each AP.
I'm game. In no particular order:
Carrion Crown: Ashava
"(T)he empyreal lord known as the True Spark dances in dangerous wilderness and lonely graveyards alike, leading lost spirits home."
I can't imagine anything cooler than playing a Paladin of Ashava in this AP.
Jade Regent: Pulura
"Pulura appears to comfort travelers far from home and those who feel alone or are lost in the vast northlands. Her agents often wander the snowy wastes to assist those who have become injured or lost during their travels."
Others may think of Jade Regent as the Tian AP. I think of it as the one where you guide a caravan across the Crown of the World. Regardless, Pulura appears as a Tian woman, and so captures the flavor of both.
Wrath of the Righteous: Arqeros
"Arqueros protects his charges against corruption and evil...The ground trembles where Arqueros treads and legend tells that not even Baphomet’s charge could move the mighty empyreal lord."
Ragathiel may be the first to come to mind for the fight against evil outsiders, but I know which Empyreal Lord I would most want by my side when the Hordes come flooding from the Abyss.
Reign of Winter: Tolc
"The ground trembles where Arqueros treads and legend tells that not even Baphomet’s charge could move the mighty empyreal lord."
Otherwise known as the entire world in this AP.
Mummy's Mask: Soralyon
"The Mystic Angel sometimes favors researchers who show prudence and strong moral fiber."
As long as you're with a group that won't *defile* any holy sites. If you are, this would be a very bad choice. But I have a Soralyon Mystery Cultist character in PFS and can't imagine wanting any other Empyreal Lord in Osirion.
Council of Thieves: Eritrice
"At the dawn of creation, so the stories go, the archdevil Geryon filled a pit in the Hellish realm of Stygia with an outpouring of lies. From beneath the weight of these lies rang out a single truth, which flew free of the fifth layer of Hell before ascending to the upper planes. That truth was Eritrice."
What more need be said?