Correct. Also, because you are limited to only a standard action, you can do a limited charge (where you move up to your normal movement speed and get an attack).
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It means you're limited to either a move or standard action. If you charge, or have some other ability that allows you to move and attack with a standard action, you can still do that.
It's not completely clear whether you're asking "does this extrapolate to 'you can't move and attack'?" or "does it mean you only have ONE (move or standard) action". I'm posting in case it's the former.
I'm asking if you can move and attack at the same time? I guess that is how I should have asked it. Sorry, I'm just learning, what I can and can't do.
Can anybody charge?
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There are a few abilities that allow you to move and attack while only using a standard action, but unless you have one that specifically allows it, no. You can take a 5-foot step (not an action) and then use your standard action to attack, or you can use your move action to move up and then do nothing else, but the only global way to do both in the surprise round is via a charge.
Edit: Yep, anybody can charge. Do read the rules on charging, though, so that you know when you can and can't do it! :)
Okay, cool, that is good to know.
Thanks so much!
It means you're limited to either a move or standard action. If you charge, or have some other ability that allows you to move and attack with a standard action, you can still do that.
It's not completely clear whether you're asking "does this extrapolate to 'you can't move and attack'?" or "does it mean you only have ONE (move or standard) action". I'm posting in case it's the former.
I'm asking if you can move and attack at the same time? I guess that is how I should have asked it. Sorry, I'm just learning, what I can and can't do.
Can anybody charge?
From the combat section: charge: "If you are able to take only a standard action on your turn, you can still charge, but you are only allowed to move up to your speed (instead of up to double your speed) and you cannot draw a weapon unless you possess the Quick Draw feat. You can't use this option unless you are restricted to taking only a standard action on your turn."
So yes, you can charge, with these limitations. Hopefully you already had a weapon out or have quick draw.
Other than that, you can take a single move action OR a single standard action. Its possible for a character to have an ability that would let them move & attack with one of these, but in general, no, you can't move and attack in a surprise round without making a limited charge.
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It means you're limited to either a move or standard action. If you charge, or have some other ability that allows you to move and attack with a standard action, you can still do that.
It's not completely clear whether you're asking "does this extrapolate to 'you can't move and attack'?" or "does it mean you only have ONE (move or standard) action". I'm posting in case it's the former.
I'm asking if you can move and attack at the same time? I guess that is how I should have asked it. Sorry, I'm just learning, what I can and can't do.
Can anybody charge?
From the combat section: charge: "If you are able to take only a standard action on your turn, you can still charge, but you are only allowed to move up to your speed (instead of up to double your speed) and you cannot draw a weapon unless you possess the Quick Draw feat. You can't use this option unless you are restricted to taking only a standard action on your turn."
So yes, you can charge, with these limitations. Hopefully you already had a weapon out or have quick draw.
Other than that, you can take a single move action OR a single standard action. Its possible for a character to have an ability that would let them move & attack with one of these, but in general, no, you can't move and attack in a surprise round without making a limited charge.
Ok, so you have to be ready already with your weapon. That makes sense.
Thank you for that. There are so many factors in this game. It will take awhile to grasp everything, LOL.
Ok, so you have to be ready already with your weapon. That makes sense.
Thank you for that. There are so many factors in this game. It will take awhile to grasp everything, LOL.
Glad to help, and yeah, it can be somewhat complex at first. As you have questions, its worth googling to see if someone asked it already, but feel free to post and you will get most of the basics ironed out pretty quick.
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What if it is in reverse? Does the gm go by the same rules with the creatures, when they attack the players because my friend wants me to gm in a month, I'm just learning as a player. I bought the beginners box, which has helped tremendously, but I'm trying to learn more of the core rules because I'm playing in the society sessions where you need to know this stuff.
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Glad to help, and yeah, it can be somewhat complex at first. As you have questions, its worth googling to see if someone asked it already, but feel free to post and you will get most of the basics ironed out pretty quick.Ok, so you have to be ready already with your weapon. That makes sense.
Thank you for that. There are so many factors in this game. It will take awhile to grasp everything, LOL.
I do try to find out first, but due to time constraints, sometimes I need to go ahead and ask, but I see what your saying.
I'm guessing you're talking an ambush type situation?
Usually, if you are making an ambush, you already have your weapons drawn. So yes, it works the same in reverse. The creatures ambushing would still be limited to a single move or standard action. Usually this is used on a ranged weapon (bow, crossbow, thrown dagger, etc.) to attack.
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I'm guessing you're talking an ambush type situation?
Usually, if you are making an ambush, you already have your weapons drawn. So yes, it works the same in reverse. The creatures ambushing would still be limited to a single move or standard action. Usually this is used on a ranged weapon (bow, crossbow, thrown dagger, etc.) to attack.
Ok, I'm starting to understand it now.
Thanks again, now I need to reread the charging rules again.
*Throws a spanner in the works*
In the surprise round you are not "restricted to taking only a standard action on your turn". You can take a standard action or a move action. Now, since standard actions can always be "traded down" to a move action, I believe that RAI is to allow the charge as a standard action in a surprise round, but the RAW do not actually support it.
Chemlak, this is a new player, please don't scare him off by talking about RAI and RAW. :P
*Throws a spanner in the works*
In the surprise round you are not "restricted to taking only a standard action on your turn". You can take a standard action or a move action. Now, since standard actions can always be "traded down" to a move action, I believe that RAI is to allow the charge as a standard action in a surprise round, but the RAW do not actually support it.
Surprise Round: "In initiative order (highest to lowest), combatants who started the battle aware of their opponents each take a standard or move action during the surprise round."
Charge: "If you are able to take only a standard action on your turn, you can still charge, but you are only allowed to move up to your speed (instead of up to double your speed) and you cannot draw a weapon unless you possess the Quick Draw feat. You can't use this option unless you are restricted to taking only a standard action on your turn."
Since charge is normally a full-round action, the implication is that if you can take a standard action (but not a full-round action) you can charge with the limitations as described.
It is not 100% crystal clear, but it is clear enough for most people I think. RAW supports it.
They stand for "Rules as Intended" and "Rules as Written", and are typically used during discussions related to issues with whether or not the written rules actually say what they're supposed to say :)
*bows*
Certainly not my intention to scare anyone off. And, as I said, I agree with what everyone else has presented: I just happen to enjoy the occasional debate about rules that "everybody knows", and this case tickled my fancy.
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*bows*
Certainly not my intention to scare anyone off. And, as I said, I agree with what everyone else has presented: I just happen to enjoy the occasional debate about rules that "everybody knows", and this case tickled my fancy.
Oh, your not scaring me off. I appreciate any help I get. I just hope my brain starts to retain all these rules, LOL.