Enlarge Person + Large Weapon = ?


Rules Questions


One of the players in my Play by Post game was wondering if it was legal in that using Enlarge Person while wielding a large scythe due to Titan Mauler would increase the weapons size to huge.

I was personally thinking it would since Enlarge Person does state:

Quote:
All equipment worn or carried by a creature is similarly enlarged by the spell. Melee weapons affected by this spell deal more damage (see Table: Medium/Large Weapon Damage).

Though I am not the most rules savvy person when it comes to this stuff and would appreciate a more knowledgable response than my own.


You have the right of it, it IS that straight forward.


The scythe would certainly result in a huge weapon (there are actually a number of interesting builds that rely on the use of size changes and so to make some ridiculous numbers of dice happen). The problem actually stems from your Titan Mauler’s ability, or in this case inability, to wield a large scythe in the first place. Odd as it is, the Titan Mauler’s abilities don’t actually allow it to bypass the rules that a two handed weapon upped a size category becomes wholly un-wieldable. This means that they are limited to large one handed or light weapons (with the only truly advantageous ones being the Bastard Sword/Dwarven Waraxe).

Of course, as this is your game you may wish to run the ability as you see fit (and the developer of said archetype has posted a bit of his feelings on the matter if you search the board for it). I simply chimed in with this since you said that you weren’t all that rules savvy to begin with.


Indrajit wrote:

The scythe would certainly result in a huge weapon (there are actually a number of interesting builds that rely on the use of size changes and so to make some ridiculous numbers of dice happen). The problem actually stems from your Titan Mauler’s ability, or in this case inability, to wield a large scythe in the first place. Odd as it is, the Titan Mauler’s abilities don’t actually allow it to bypass the rules that a two handed weapon upped a size category becomes wholly un-wieldable. This means that they are limited to large one handed or light weapons (with the only truly advantageous ones being the Bastard Sword/Dwarven Waraxe).

I'm not familiar with the rule you're talking about, I thought it was simply a cumulative -2 penalty for each size category larger the weapon was over the wielder. So, for example, you could wield a huge scythe or battleaxe but have a -4 to the attack roll. This is all assuming they're proficient with the weapon, of course.


PRD says wrote:

Inappropriately Sized Weapons: A creature can't make optimum use of a weapon that isn't properly sized for it. A cumulative –2 penalty applies on attack rolls for each size category of difference between the size of its intended wielder and the size of its actual wielder. If the creature isn't proficient with the weapon, a –4 nonproficiency penalty also applies.

The measure of how much effort it takes to use a weapon (whether the weapon is designated as a light, one-handed, or two-handed weapon for a particular wielder) is altered by one step for each size category of difference between the wielder's size and the size of the creature for which the weapon was designed. For example, a Small creature would wield a Medium one-handed weapon as a two-handed weapon. If a weapon's designation would be changed to something other than light, one-handed, or two-handed by this alteration, the creature can't wield the weapon at all.

The bolded bit is the important part. Unfortunately the Titan Mauler does nothing to alter that.


Indrajit wrote:
PRD says wrote:

Inappropriately Sized Weapons: A creature can't make optimum use of a weapon that isn't properly sized for it. A cumulative –2 penalty applies on attack rolls for each size category of difference between the size of its intended wielder and the size of its actual wielder. If the creature isn't proficient with the weapon, a –4 nonproficiency penalty also applies.

The measure of how much effort it takes to use a weapon (whether the weapon is designated as a light, one-handed, or two-handed weapon for a particular wielder) is altered by one step for each size category of difference between the wielder's size and the size of the creature for which the weapon was designed. For example, a Small creature would wield a Medium one-handed weapon as a two-handed weapon. If a weapon's designation would be changed to something other than light, one-handed, or two-handed by this alteration, the creature can't wield the weapon at all.
The bolded bit is the important part. Unfortunately the Titan Mauler does nothing to alter that.

Ahhh, somehow that did not click with me. Yeah, I guess even WITH Jotungrip it's not going to work. Sorry EgyptFanatic!


Not a problem Cerberus Seven. Thank you and Indrajit for the answer to my question.

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