Owner - D20 Hobbies
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So I've got a player with a new interpretation of this paragraph:
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list of Always available
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Beyond the gear noted above, your character is restricted
to purchasing additional items from his accumulated Chronicle sheets, or by capitalizing on his fame within his faction. Weapons, armor, equipment, magic items and so on that are outside of these lists are not available for purchase at any time.
Fame PP chart 5-3 can only be used to buy things that are non-weapon, non-armor, non-equipment, non-magic-item. So Animals like Horses are all you can buy Fame.
Since a Monk's Robe isn't on the Always Available list, it must be purchased by Fame or on a chronicle sheet. Assume the PC has the Fame for it and no Chronicle sheet. He still can't buy it because it is a magic item and it isn't on the Always Available list therefore it is "not available for purchase at any time"
I'm pretty sure this runs counter to every interpretation I've seen from the every DM I've played. But the wording is awkward.
I think the meaning of this line and the way it is being implemented today is:
Your character is restricted to making purchases from the Always Available list, from the Table 5-3 made available by your Fame, or from his accumulated Chronicle sheets. No purchases outside Always Available, Fame, or Chronicle sheets are available for purchase at any time.
I doubt the line will change any time soon. Am I wrong in my interpretation?
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Fame chart 5-3 gives maximum gold piece value of items that can be purchased that are NOT on the always available list or your Chronicle sheets.
The line about being outside the limits is being limited by Fame gold value, always available, or Chronicle sheet. As long as the item can be purchase via one of those three restrictions, you can buy it.
In short, your interpretation was right. The player was twisting the language just a little bit too much in this case.
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'Always available when you have fame for it' is an oxymoron, not a separate category you can cobble together out of the existing rules in order to preclude a purchase of something you can get with fame.
Higher Fame scores
unlock resources that can be purchased from your faction
with Prestige Points and increase the maximum cost of
items you can purchase with gold.A character’s Fame score determines the
maximum gp value of any items she can purchase from her
faction, as detailed in Table 5–3 below. The character must
still actually spend the gold to receive the desired item. For
double weapons, calculate the cost of each end separately
when considering Fame purchasing limits.
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Owner - D20 Hobbies
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what? I don't understand the question. Can you actually provide the entire quote of the passage you are quoting, and bold the part that you find unclear?
Whole passage:
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list of Always available
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Beyond the gear noted above, your character is restricted
to purchasing additional items from his accumulated Chronicle sheets, or by capitalizing on his fame within his faction. Weapons, armor, equipment, magic items and so on that are outside of these lists are not available for purchase at any time.
Monk's Robe is a magic item. It isn't on the "lists" above of Always Available.
Therefore it is "not available for purchase"
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Not sure how what you just posted means what you are saying it means.
The lists the second sentence is referring to are in the first sentence...
...accumulated chronicle sheets, or by capitalizing on his fame with his faction.
It is not referring all the way back to the always available list (singular).
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Owner - D20 Hobbies
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It is not referring all the way back to the always available list (singular).
Yep. I had a player suggest otherwise when a player bought an item that falls on (B) "Fame" and he didn't like my "of course he can he has the Fame" response.
I'm just making sure I didn't somehow get caught up in a mass hallucination of doing it the wrong way all this time.
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I understand the interpretation.
“Weapons, armor, equipment, magic items and so on that are outside of these lists are not available for purchase at any time.”
The bolded sections negate the sentence “Beyond the gear noted above, your character is restricted to purchasing additional items from his accumulated Chronicle sheet, or by capitalizing on his fame within his faction.”
Because the sentence that begins with “Weapons, armor, equipment…” ends the section Always Available Items the interpretation believes it trumps all the other parts of the section, especially because of “at any time.”
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I agree BigNorseWolf. While it's not easy to see how the person arrived at his conclusion, I can see it.
Later portions of OP guide expect state that "Higher Fame scores unlock resource that can be purchased from your faction with Prestige Points and increase the maximum cost of items you can purchase with gold" (OPG 26).
The interpretation has a degree of merit, but as you say there is so much else in the OP and PFS system that contradicts his interpretation.
OP, you could applaud the player for his interpretation but point out as BigNorseWolf does, the evidence that makes his interpretation null. If he feels strongly about it he may 1) email the Campaign Coordinator and suggest that portion of the OP Guide be adjusted before the next printing and 2)abide by his interpretation and not buy anything.
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I would just put the order a bit ... differently:
1) Always available items, from the list in the Guide to PFS Organized Play;
2) Items unlocked by being listed on one of your PC's Chronicle Sheets;
3) All other campaign-legal items unlocked by price level as determined by the PC's Fame level (see table 5-3).
