Do these two things work together?
It seems kind of powerful that the entire party (or at least the front fighters) could benefit from a +5 barkskin and other strong potions (whatever my party will come up with) for only a few 2nd level extracts, but I don't see a reason in the rules why it shouldn't work.
The only thing I could limit there is the availability of very strong (high CL) potions, but since they're in a rather large city (Magnimar) I don't want to bend that too much.
Actually name violation it does.
"When the alchemist creates an extract, he can infuse it with an extra bit of his own magical power. The extract created now persists even after the alchemist sets it down. As long as the extract exists, it continues to occupy one of the alchemist’s daily extract slots. An infused extract can be imbibed by a non-alchemist to gain its effects."
Nowhere in there does it state or imply that infusions follow potion rules.
Simple solution Montis don't sell them higher level potions if you don't want them to have them. More complicated solution. Don't worry about it. He's going to run out of level 2 extracts real quick buffing the party that way. Just watch the duration times and separate out a few fights and you'll probably nip that problem right in the bud.
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Actually name violation it does.
"When the alchemist creates an extract, he can infuse it with an extra bit of his own magical power. The extract created now persists even after the alchemist sets it down. As long as the extract exists, it continues to occupy one of the alchemist’s daily extract slots. An infused extract can be imbibed by a non-alchemist to gain its effects."
Nowhere in there does it state or imply that infusions follow potion rules.
Simple solution Montis don't sell them higher level potions if you don't want them to have them. More complicated solution. Don't worry about it. He's going to run out of level 2 extracts real quick buffing the party that way. Just watch the duration times and separate out a few fights and you'll probably nip that problem right in the bud.
but that doesnt change the fact they are range :personal. only the alchemist can benefit from them, anyone else is an invalid target
but that doesnt change the fact they are range :personal. only the alchemist can benefit from them, anyone else is an invalid target
Alright I'll bite. Where are you getting this from?
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Range
A spell's range indicates how far from you it can reach, as defined in the range entry of the spell description. a spell's range is the maximum distance from you that the spell's effect can occur, as well as the maximum distance at which you can designate the spell's point of origin. If any portion of the spell's area would extend beyond this range, that area is wasted. Standard ranges include the following.
Personal
The spell affects only you.
Range
A spell's range indicates how far from you it can reach, as defined in the range entry of the spell description. a spell's range is the maximum distance from you that the spell's effect can occur, as well as the maximum distance at which you can designate the spell's point of origin. If any portion of the spell's area would extend beyond this range, that area is wasted. Standard ranges include the following.
Personal
The spell affects only you.
That is by definition all Alchemist extracts. By that logic, the infusion discovery shouldn't do anything at all.
"Potions are like spells cast upon the imbiber. The character taking the potion doesn't get to make any decisions about the effect—the caster who brewed the potion has already done so. The drinker of a potion is both the effective target and the caster of the effect (though the potion indicates the caster level, the drinker still controls the effect)."
It is also why it specifically calls out universal formula as not working with infusion. Universal formula being a personal range extract and not working with infusion because the caster has to make a decision about which extract it functions as.
If you drink an infusion the drinker functions as the caster. I've spent the last ten minutes running paizo forums searches and have yet to find any evidence to the contrary.
Edit: Yes I am aware that I'm quoting potion rules after stating that they don't function with potion rules. After checking every other thread I could find it was the only relevant comparison that was consistent in logic. So I recant my previous statement. Whereas it doesn't state that they do mechanically in many ways they mirror.
"An extract is “cast” by drinking it, as if imbibing a potion—the effects of an extract exactly duplicate the spell upon which its formula is based, save that the spell always affects only the drinking alchemist." I found this under the general alchemy heading. Infusion seems to be written precisely to be a way around the range restriction on potions.
Welp. There is only one way to settle this.
All kidding aside, I agree with Jak. As otherwise the infusion discovery would be close to useless.