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I think the shiny has worn off the gimmicky controllers.
Yet, ironically, Sony and Microsoft have followed Nintendo's lead when it comes to "gimicky controllers". Sony introduced the Move controller and Microsoft introduced the Kinect. Even Sony's handheld, the Vita, copies the DS by adding touch-screen capabilities.
What you wanna bet Sony and MS introduce a tablet-like controller next gen?
The xbox 1 may be worth it if it responds to commands like "xbox do my laundry" "xbox make me dinner" ;)
XB1, get in the kitchin' and make me a sammich!
I think the shiny has worn off the gimmicky controllers.Yet, ironically, Sony and Microsoft have followed Nintendo's lead when it comes to "gimicky controllers". Sony introduced the Move controller and Microsoft introduced the Kinect. ?
There is a huge difference, those are optional controllers. The wii forced you to use the nunchuk controller. The wii had a classic controller but it wasn't usable with most games.
I might have kept my wii awhile longer if I could use the wii classic with games like Metroid Prime trilogy or Zelda.
To my knowledge the vita and 3ds still have d-pads, and Kinect doesn't have a handheld component.
Edit - Most gamers still prefer game pads/mice and keyboards over the gimmicky stuff, otherwise the kinect/move shelf space would be a lot larger.
I think the shiny has worn off the gimmicky controllers.Yet, ironically, Sony and Microsoft have followed Nintendo's lead when it comes to "gimicky controllers". Sony introduced the Move controller and Microsoft introduced the Kinect. ?There is a huge difference, those are optional controllers. The wii forced you to use the nunchuk controller. The wii had a classic controller but it was usable with most games.
I might have kept my wii awhile longer if I could use the wii classic with games like Metroid Prime trilogy or Zelda.
To my knowledge the vita and 3ds still have d-pads.
The only time a nunchuck has ever been mandatory, to my knowledge, is in specific games, which, honestly, makes sense.
If you just mean the Wiimote, then, sure, yeah. I could see that as a problem for many.
Personally, though, my only problem with the Wiimotes is the technical issue with having all my windows open at the same time interfering with it - I really wish that worked better. Otherwise, the controls work smoothly and well. The fact that certain games could make use of the other controllers is actually rather well done, as they went out of their way to make the Wii backwards compatible with their older systems.
I know nothing about the WiiU, so I'm not going to comment on that. I'm also not commenting on the gimmicky controller-thing.
My only point here was to share my view and note the difference between the the Nunchuck, the Wiimote, and the like. :)
I meant the wiimote thanks. :)
Judging by Amazon, this is how much it will cost
Ouch
Amazon U.S. last console cycle were selling the 360 at launch bundled with a bunch of bits and bobs like extra cables and controllers etc at significant markup over brick and mortar stores. (My phone didn't want to follow your link so I'm not sure if that's what's happening here, all I got was that it was an Amazon UK link. I'm in the middle of nowhere right now.)
I meant the wiimote thanks. :)
No problem! I wanted to make sure we were all talking about the same thing, and, if not, that would have been weird. But, as I said, while it's not a specific issue to me, I can see the problems others might have with it. Like the Kinect. Personally, I'm thrilled at the possibilities it opens up. But I'm also not a fan of making it a requirement. So, yeah, I can see your point. :)
For MeanGM: it claims to be 599.99 pounds (British Currency, not weight).
Also, lots of links to stuff people are talking about, in case people want them. Note, I'm mostly not re-posting already posted in-link-form links (I think I made one exception for context), but I'm making coded links for those who just posted the url without making it a handy link.
Full Press Conference
Humorous "highlights" video (Note: this is mocking the XBOX1 and isn't to be taken as an actual "highlight" video; watch the actual conference for the real deal, this is just for the funnies. Also, this was in the Cracked article linked by a poster earlier.)
Xbox alienate gamers, intrigues developers?
Thumbs Wars discussion starter.
Apparently XB1 breaks Blockbuster's preorder records; this is something I'm not really clear on - I kind of thought Blockbuster, the rental company, was dead, and why would a system that requires you to pay for the game upon install even have a market in the rental business? I hope someone else can clarify for me. I'm having a hard time with links today for some reason (pages are often refusing to load the first half-dozen times or so).
Stuff about the "person counting" patents: one, two, and three. Microsoft has responded with the really ambiguously worded, "Microsoft regularly applies for and receives patents as part of its business practice; not all patents applied for or received will be incorporated into a Microsoft product." as noted here.
Article by an earlier poster noting you can turn of kinect
Jimquisition
Destructoid reports on a Nintendo Life article that indicates the WiiU increased by 386% after the XB1 reveal. Not a good response to a press conference, I'd say.
Angry Joe rants
Microsoft responds to a bunch of stuff.
Television-watching achievements patent.
Funny gif of Yakko not being impressed with the XBox.
Anyway, just for those who are curious.
Tangentially related:
Steam has a check-in time of two weeks.
Amazon U.S. last console cycle were selling the 360 at launch bundled with a bunch of bits and bobs like extra cables and controllers etc at significant markup over brick and mortar stores. (My phone didn't want to follow your link so I'm not sure if that's what's happening here, all I got was that it was an Amazon UK link. I'm in the middle of nowhere right now.)Judging by Amazon, this is how much it will cost
Ouch
From what I understand, Amazon UK put up an estimated placeholder price, since the actual price has not been released publicly. Amazon has been known to do this in the past, and will overshoot rather than undershoot it.
From what I understand, Amazon UK put up an estimated placeholder price, since the actual price has not been released publicly. Amazon has been known to do this in the past, and will overshoot rather than undershoot it.Amazon U.S. last console cycle were selling the 360 at launch bundled with a bunch of bits and bobs like extra cables and controllers etc at significant markup over brick and mortar stores. (My phone didn't want to follow your link so I'm not sure if that's what's happening here, all I got was that it was an Amazon UK link. I'm in the middle of nowhere right now.)Judging by Amazon, this is how much it will cost
Ouch
That's something, at least.
From what I understand, Amazon UK put up an estimated placeholder price, since the actual price has not been released publicly. Amazon has been known to do this in the past, and will overshoot rather than undershoot it.Amazon U.S. last console cycle were selling the 360 at launch bundled with a bunch of bits and bobs like extra cables and controllers etc at significant markup over brick and mortar stores. (My phone didn't want to follow your link so I'm not sure if that's what's happening here, all I got was that it was an Amazon UK link. I'm in the middle of nowhere right now.)Judging by Amazon, this is how much it will cost
Ouch
Makes sense! 600£ is about 11-1200 dollars correct? (And thanks for relaying that figure Tacticslion)
Hey, no problem. I understand what it's like when your mobile device just doesn't want to play ball for some reason.
According to google's dollars to pounds converter, 599.99 pounds comes out to 907.18 US dollars (it's down from 2009/2011, where your guesstimated figure would be closer in accuracy).
So that's not quite as bad as 11 hundred bucks, but 900 is really, really up there. That's... some high prices, you're pre-showin' there, Amazon.
Makes sense! 600£ is about 11-1200 dollars correct? (And thanks for relaying that figure Tacticslion)From what I understand, Amazon UK put up an estimated placeholder price, since the actual price has not been released publicly. Amazon has been known to do this in the past, and will overshoot rather than undershoot it.Amazon U.S. last console cycle were selling the 360 at launch bundled with a bunch of bits and bobs like extra cables and controllers etc at significant markup over brick and mortar stores. (My phone didn't want to follow your link so I'm not sure if that's what's happening here, all I got was that it was an Amazon UK link. I'm in the middle of nowhere right now.)Judging by Amazon, this is how much it will cost
Ouch
599.99£ = $907.80 according to this site. Likely will get either rounded down to $900 even or rounded up to some nice round number like $910/$920/$950. (Presuming that the price is not significantly lower stateside due to shipping costs included in overseas prices.)
Aaand ninja'd....
I can buy an inexpensive gaming PC for $1000... AND my PC would do far more than a game console could even the XB1. AND my PC wouldn't require itself to be online.
Hey, no problem. I understand what it's like when your mobile device just doesn't want to play ball for some reason.
According to google's dollars to pounds converter, 599.99 pounds comes out to 907.18 US dollars (it's down from 2009/2011, where your guesstimated figure would be closer in accuracy).
So that's not quite as bad as 11 hundred bucks, but 900 is really, really up there. That's... some high prices, you're pre-showin' there, Amazon.
Last time I was there was around 2011.... The conversion rate now sounds like closer to what it was when I was there in the late 90s. :)
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I can buy an inexpensive gaming PC for $1000... AND my PC would do far more than a game console could even the XB1. AND my PC wouldn't require itself to be online.
Hell, for a 1000$ bucks i can buy Nvidia Titan and not have to buy a graphics card for 4-5 years afterwards. Now the only questions are, where do i get a 1000$ and how will it fit inside the case.
Also, Xbone has 8gb of DDR3 while Sony 4 has 8 gigs of DDR5.
No.
The Xbox One has 8gb of DDR3 memory, while the Playstation 4 has 8gb of GDDR5 memory.
GDDR5 is based on DDR3 architecture (the G stands for "Graphics", denoting that GDDR memory is optimized for use as graphical memory). It is not, as a cursory understanding might cause you to believe, two generations ahead of DDR3. In fact, DDR3 is the current generation. DDR4 isn't even on the market yet, much less DDR5.
2) people with access: for whatever reason, xbox live is a service they are not interested in. Microsoft is now giving them an ultimatum of requiring them to buy the service. Every person who doesn't want to use xbox live will be excluded.
Xbox Live is available as a free service as well, with reduced functionality. I haven't seen anything indicating that they will stop providing a free version of Xbox Live. Have you? If not, they're not requiring anyone to pay for anything. No ultimatum.
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The WiiU GamePad has all the buttons/inputs of a regular controller (two analogue sticks, D-Pad, A, B, X, Y, R, L, RZ, LZ, +/Start, and -/Select). It just also has a touchscreen display. And gyroscopes, etc for motion control.
You mean the handheld TV. IMHO, it defeats the purpose of wanting to play games on my 46" tv. I also don't want a gamepad shaq-sized.
Good for kids though, "go watch your game on your controller and let me watch my cheesy sci-fi Saturday night flick". Yep, gimmicky.
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Also, Xbone has 8gb of DDR3 while Sony 4 has 8 gigs of DDR5.No.
The Xbox One has 8gb of DDR3 memory, while the Playstation 4 has 8gb of GDDR5 memory.
GDDR5 is based on DDR3 architecture (the G stands for "Graphics", denoting that GDDR memory is optimized for use as graphical memory). It is not, as a cursory understanding might cause you to believe, two generations ahead of DDR3. In fact, DDR3 is the current generation. DDR4 isn't even on the market yet, much less DDR5.
The GDDR5 memory found in the PS4 is unprecedented. Even Nvidia’s Titan graphics card, which retails at $999, has less.
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http://ps4daily.com/2013/04/playstation-4-developers-7-gb-ram/
http://www.psu.com/a019489/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNYISJGN1qw&lc=iinoFj-y3iJqommdUPZffGfRv 6n63eyZiQaNSGV3U4k
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4 minute video comparison of PS4 and xbone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehGU2cDJeXE
unbiased as far as I can tell.
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Techspot discussion and clarification of DDR3 vs GDDR5
The discussion goes on why it's much better than DDR3.
edit*fixed the link to start from the comparison in post #3
Not sure how much it matters but the main difference in DDR3 to GDDR5 is that GDDR5 is faster memory than DDR3... GDDR5 is also dedicated graphics memory.
The GDDR5 memory found in the PS4 is unprecedented. Even Nvidia’s Titan graphics card, which retails at $999, has less.
Titan is a graphics card, not an entire system. The PS4's GDDR5 memory bank is used for the entire system, not merely graphical memory. The comparison doesn't really hold up.
Using GDDR5 gives the PS4 an advantage in memory performance for games over the Xbox One, certainly, but it's not the enormous advantage you would expect if you were under the mistaken impression that it was using memory two generations ahead. It's just optimized differently.
Not sure how much it matters but the main difference in DDR3 to GDDR5 is that GDDR5 is faster memory than DDR3... GDDR5 is also dedicated graphics memory.
Now what do you means by graphics? Does that include keeping track of objects that we can't see? Does that include NPC AI? Would that include physics engines?
Making things prettier is nice, but I want some more depth in my games, with less smoke and mirrors creating the feeling of depth (if that makes any sense)
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The GDDR5 memory found in the PS4 is unprecedented. Even Nvidia’s Titan graphics card, which retails at $999, has less.Titan is a graphics card, not an entire system. The PS4's GDDR5 memory bank is used for the entire system, not merely graphical memory. The comparison doesn't really hold up.
Using GDDR5 gives the PS4 an advantage in memory performance for games over the Xbox One, certainly, but it's not the enormous advantage you would expect if you were under the mistaken impression that it was using memory two generations ahead. It's just optimized differently.
Isn't that all we care about?
Using GDDR5 gives the PS4 an advantage in memory performance for games over the Xbox One, certainly, but it's not the enormous advantage you would expect if you were under the mistaken impression that it was using memory two generations ahead. It's just optimized differently.
Also from the techspot discussion in the link above...
GDDR5 allows a write and read to/from memory every clock cycle, whereas DDR3 is limited to a read or a write, which reduces bandwidth. Graphics DDR also allows for multiple memory controllers to cope with the I/O functions.
Greater bandwidth is always welcomed.
Not sure how much it matters but the main difference in DDR3 to GDDR5 is that GDDR5 is faster memory than DDR3... GDDR5 is also dedicated graphics memory.
Now what do you means by graphics? Does that include keeping track of objects that we can't see? Does that include NPC AI? Would that include physics engines?
Making things prettier is nice, but I want some more depth in my games, with less smoke and mirrors creating the feeling of depth (if that makes any sense)
(In a nutshell) it's optimized for moving big things around quickly - in this case, graphical information like textures. Other data may be handled better by GDDR5 or modern DDR3 memory, depending on what it is.
The GDDR5 memory found in the PS4 is unprecedented. Even Nvidia’s Titan graphics card, which retails at $999, has less.Titan is a graphics card, not an entire system. The PS4's GDDR5 memory bank is used for the entire system, not merely graphical memory. The comparison doesn't really hold up.
Using GDDR5 gives the PS4 an advantage in memory performance for games over the Xbox One, certainly, but it's not the enormous advantage you would expect if you were under the mistaken impression that it was using memory two generations ahead. It's just optimized differently.
Isn't that all we care about?
Depends who "we" is.
It's certainly not all that I care about.
This should make the WiiU fans happy too. As the Vita has better resolution than the WiiU gamepad. This also could catapult the Vita forward.
The discussion below the article seems to be more in the PS4 camp though, but the article is still good news for Vita owners.
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The GDDR5 memory found in the PS4 is unprecedented. Even Nvidia’s Titan graphics card, which retails at $999, has less.Titan is a graphics card, not an entire system. The PS4's GDDR5 memory bank is used for the entire system, not merely graphical memory. The comparison doesn't really hold up.
Using GDDR5 gives the PS4 an advantage in memory performance for games over the Xbox One, certainly, but it's not the enormous advantage you would expect if you were under the mistaken impression that it was using memory two generations ahead. It's just optimized differently.
Isn't that all we care about?
Depends who "we" is.
It's certainly not all that I care about.
Those of us buying a gaming console. We tend to get these things to play games on them...
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2) people with access: for whatever reason, xbox live is a service they are not interested in. Microsoft is now giving them an ultimatum of requiring them to buy the service. Every person who doesn't want to use xbox live will be excluded.Xbox Live is available as a free service as well, with reduced functionality. I haven't seen anything indicating that they will stop providing a free version of Xbox Live. Have you? If not, they're not requiring anyone to pay for anything. No ultimatum.
Again, these people are uninterested in such a service, because if they were, they would have hooked their console up. It is an ultimatum, hook your console up or stop buying our products. It isn't an option with the XBone.
Do you think dipping into the used game market is going to make up for the loss of 1/5 of their customers?
And it still isn't addressing the exponential increase in game development.
Everything about this console screams "short-sighted".
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Techspot discussion and clarification of DDR3 vs GDDR5
The discussion goes on why it's much better than DDR3.
edit*fixed the link to start from the comparison in post #3
The link was an excellent find. I really enjoyed the explanation. Thanks Sunderstone.
Those of us buying a gaming console. We tend to get these things to play games on them...The GDDR5 memory found in the PS4 is unprecedented. Even Nvidia’s Titan graphics card, which retails at $999, has less.Titan is a graphics card, not an entire system. The PS4's GDDR5 memory bank is used for the entire system, not merely graphical memory. The comparison doesn't really hold up.
Using GDDR5 gives the PS4 an advantage in memory performance for games over the Xbox One, certainly, but it's not the enormous advantage you would expect if you were under the mistaken impression that it was using memory two generations ahead. It's just optimized differently.
Isn't that all we care about?
Depends who "we" is.
It's certainly not all that I care about.
If you're trying to speak on behalf of all those who buy gaming consoles, then no, that's not all you care about.
The link was an excellent find. I really enjoyed the explanation. Thanks Sunderstone.Techspot discussion and clarification of DDR3 vs GDDR5
The discussion goes on why it's much better than DDR3.
edit*fixed the link to start from the comparison in post #3
NP sir. It's a lot of tech jargon, I understood most of it but not all of it myself.
/Nerdage off.
Again, these people are uninterested in such a service, because if they were, they would have hooked their console up. It is an ultimatum, hook your console up or stop buying our products. It isn't an option with the XBone.
Yes, that part is a requirement. Not the part where you acted like Microsoft was forcing them to pay them a subscription fee to use their Xbox.
So, again, how many of those people who don't have their consoles hooked up to broadband are in that situation because they don't have broadband, and how many are in that situation because they haven't had a reason to hook their console up to their broadband?
If you're trying to speak on behalf of all those who buy gaming consoles, then no, that's not all you care about.Those of us buying a gaming console. We tend to get these things to play games on them...It's certainly not all that I care about.
So what else do we want RAM for on our gaming console aside from games and will doing that instead of playing a game come anywhere close to using 8gigs or anything?
*F! I completely forgot that you aren't being legit. How did you suck me back in?
FWIW Scott. I buy consoles just for games. I do use my PS3 for watching blu-rays on my main tv, so I get more use out of that then the actual games this time around. However, I do have other Blu-ray players in every room so it isn't necessarily something I need in a console.
I definitely don't need something with an internet browser (I have my PC for surfing) and I don't need something to control my cable box. My guess is that the xbox is doubling as an AV Receiver this time around requiring you to connect your cable box to it for the channel surfing function to work. I might be wrong as I don't know much about the back panel inputs.
I prefer keeping my TV setup the way it is using the HDMI ports and using my remote to flip between consoles and cable box. I don't want to have to turn on the Xbox, wait through a load screen, sign in, etc just to get to my cable show.
So what else do we want RAM for on our gaming console aside from games and will doing that instead of playing a game come anywhere close to using 8gigs or anything?
1080p video chat, movie watching, voice chat, running multiple apps simultaneously, handling Kinect data, recording gameplay videos, etc.
A better question is, perhaps: Why is the console's ability to display sharper textures the only thing you seem to care about?
I prefer keeping my TV setup the way it is using the HDMI ports and using my remote to flip between consoles and cable box. I don't want to have to turn on the Xbox, wait through a load screen, sign in, etc just to get to my cable show.
The expectation seems to be that your Xbox will remain in a "standby" mode most of the time (you will typically not turn it completely off) and will be ready to activate more or less instantaneously, including with voice commands.
So what else do we want RAM for on our gaming console aside from games and will doing that instead of playing a game come anywhere close to using 8gigs or anything?1080p video chat, movie watching, voice chat, running multiple apps simultaneously, handling Kinect data, recording gameplay videos, etc.
A better question is, perhaps: Why is the console's ability to display sharper textures the only thing you seem to care about?
Is that what you define as being better for games???
I expect higher tier non-legit-ness from you. Don't contradict yourself.
So what else do we want RAM for on our gaming console aside from games and will doing that instead of playing a game come anywhere close to using 8gigs or anything?1080p video chat, movie watching, voice chat, running multiple apps simultaneously, handling Kinect data, recording gameplay videos, etc.
A better question is, perhaps: Why is the console's ability to display sharper textures the only thing you seem to care about?
Increased video chatting power is useless since the video chat function comes from Skype.
NOTHING can make Skype good.
So what else do we want RAM for on our gaming console aside from games and will doing that instead of playing a game come anywhere close to using 8gigs or anything?1080p video chat, movie watching, voice chat, running multiple apps simultaneously, handling Kinect data, recording gameplay videos, etc.
A better question is, perhaps: Why is the console's ability to display sharper textures the only thing you seem to care about?
Increased video chatting power is useless since the video chat function comes from Skype.
NOTHING can make Skype good.
I think it does text messages better than Google hangouts.
http://static1.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/4611809+_c057b304bb711df8ab4c7 3b3394cb5b5.gif
Basically this thread. Scott is the guy using the binoculars.
So what else do we want RAM for on our gaming console aside from games and will doing that instead of playing a game come anywhere close to using 8gigs or anything?1080p video chat, movie watching, voice chat, running multiple apps simultaneously, handling Kinect data, recording gameplay videos, etc.
A better question is, perhaps: Why is the console's ability to display sharper textures the only thing you seem to care about?
Is that what you define as being better for games???
I expect higher tier non-legit-ness from you. Don't contradict yourself.
I no longer have any idea what you're talking about.
Scott, my recommendation for your own sanity and the sanity of most all of the others here is to just drop it for a bit. Wait until E3 and then rub it in our faces that it has the best games, if, in fact, it does.
Your arguments are so far relatively unproductive, and inflammatory in ways you don't seem to want or intend for them to be.
Of course you are welcome to ignore this. This is advice - it is optional, not mandatory, and this is a free forum.
Similarly, guys, please stop baiting Scott. He's defending a company that's made some legitimately bad choices, but it's his choice to do so. I'm preferring to give him the benefit of the doubt and presume he's not actually as elitist as he sounds.
I mean, it's totally great to debate and converse, but the conversation seems more been revolving around whether or not it's needless nerd-rage or elitism, and less around how valuable or worthless the features actually are.
So, if we're going to continue the debate, why don't we actually take a few minutes, create some coherent points, and debate those points instead of debating the value or quality of people in question?
EDITED: unintentional inflammatory language removed
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I mean, don't get me wrong. Business is good in this thread, here, but, you know, I could use a vacation, and the internet is kind of full of this type of stuff, so my workload is kind of full.
I no longer have any idea what you're talking about.So what else do we want RAM for on our gaming console aside from games and will doing that instead of playing a game, comes anywhere close to using 8gigs or anything?1080p video chat, movie watching, voice chat, running multiple apps simultaneously, handling Kinect data, recording gameplay videos, etc.
A better question is, perhaps: Why is the console's ability to display sharper textures the only thing you seem to care about?
Is that what you define as being better for games???
I expect higher tier non-legit-ness from you. Don't contradict yourself.
Now this is just poor form. Do you really expect me to believe that you can't read?