Inconsistency with the Planar Binding Line of spells, are they an Error?


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Ok, so the Grater one is level 8(wizard/sorc) so you get it at level 15(or 16 if Sorc) and you get to control up to 18HD monster. So around your HD. Thats cool.

The normal on is level 6(wiz/sorc) so you get it at level 11(or 12Sorc) and you control upto 12HD monster. So just a lower level with an equaly lower cap, all seems good so far. Also note that the Grater is 2 spell levels above the normal.

The Lesser dosn't fit the pattern. It is just one level lower then the normal (odd in it'self) and you get it at level 9(or 10Sorc) and can control up to 6HD monser? The others have the creature at or slightly above your HD, at least for the max. With Grater you can bind an Imp (technicaly, why you would use a level 8 spell to do so is beyond me, but you CAN). anyway, It just seems odd.

Possable fixes, make Lesser level 4 spell and cap HD at 8HD. Possably with a level 2 verison that catps at 4HD (ok not sure what creatures you can bind that are 4HD but it would follow the pattern regardless).

Ideas? thoughts? Or am I crazy?


The Planar Binding spells are set up the way they are in an attempt to balance the spell. The balance they are going for, however, is not simply one of a 1 to 1 HD return on whatever you call, but also a matter of balancing the resources that can be gained by calling and binding outsiders.

I don't agree with your attempt at a 'fix', since I don't believe there is anything to fix. The spell is not supposed to operate in a conventional fashion, because it potentially affords the caster quite alot of power, if used correctly. As such, the HD limit exist, not to make some kind of coherent comparison between caster HD and called creature HD, but to limit the special abilities and spell-like abilities of creatures called.

An example: We raise the HD cap to 8. What happens? Everyone summons a Succubus. It's not even a guess, this is going to happen. You raise the cap, people start calling in the sex-demons. And understandably so, because that creature is obscenely powerful at that level. Is it powerful, in the sense that a party of level 10 characters cannot defeat it in fair combat? No. Of course not. But you're not talking about that, you're talking about calling this thing into your service, making a CR7 demon, with abilities stacked to the ceiling, your minion. That is alot of power. An at-will, DC 22, charm-person, rapid-fire machinegun that can teleport, detect thoughts and fire off a suggestion every 6 seconds? The playing field not so much changed, as it got flipped over, and completely redecorated.

Limiting the spell-like abilities and funky nonsense that draws in conjuration-fans like myself, is necessary to maintain a semblance of balance, as you wander into the double digit levels.

my two cents.

-Nearyn

Dark Archive

One could also bump LPB up to 8HD (hello succubus! why not?), nerf GPB to 14HD, and then add a 9th level version that grants up to a 17 or 18HD creature.

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