@DeathQuaker: I could have used a mentor like you. It's all so clear now when you explain it. You're right; why am I asking other women what men want when one is sitting right here next to me?
I wonder if DQ knows this is a joke. Her response was real serious-like.
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Also, men should always play the subservient role, when playing a role playing game--less they start thinking for themselves [we certainly don't want that, now do we].
Hmmm. I assumed DQ got the joke, though it is admittedly a pretty lame one. My response was assuming she realized that.
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Wow! She listened to me once! All my other grievances are suddenly and irrationally dropped!
ಠ_ಠ srsly
Don't get too accustomed to the listening. :P
Damn you, I'm not just a phallus!
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Perhaps I should run a 'Males Only' table at GenCon so there's a place that men can get introduced to RPG's without feeling threatened. It would also give those poor spouses that were dragged there by their wives something to do.
I by all means encourage you to run such an event, and see how it turns out.
@DeathQuaker: I could have used a mentor like you. It's all so clear now when you explain it. You're right; why am I asking other women what men want when one is sitting right here next to me?
It's a radical idea, I know, and perhaps even untested, but I feel confident in its effectiveness.
I wonder if DQ knows this is a joke. Her response was real serious-like.I don't think the term for her response is so much "serious-like" as "deadpan".
I am always and forever completely serious. I have never understood a joke before, and have never made any jokes, ever. My tongue has never been anywhere near my cheek. In fact, I have never been silly a day in my life.
Weeks at a time, but never just a day.
I wonder if DQ knows this is a joke. Her response was real serious-like.I don't think the term for her response is so much "serious-like" as "deadpan".
Perhaps; it's hard to tell.
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And yet also, at the same time, I absolutely meant everything I said in my first post in this thread. I just want to make that clear. Read that post, every word, I truly would stand behind it.
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That was a right hook, dear.
A lot of men find table top RPGS to be off putting since the female characters start with the same starting gold as male characters. You might want to pay the males players more (give them more loot, higher starting gold) so it's more in-line with their expectations here in the real world.
In our game women only find 70% of the gold that male players do. Our GM says it's because male characters are more likely to have to support their families while female characters are expected to spend part of their adventuring time at home caring for their children.
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This is crazy and really shows how the stereotypes are crap but - get this - I game and my wife is totally uninterested in it!
It's a crazy world.
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This is crazy and really shows how the stereotypes are crap but - get this - I game and my wife is totally uninterested in it!
It's a crazy world.
Good for you guys! I guess there really is an exception to every rule.
After laughing I began to miss gaming with my boyfriend...
Any suggestions on how to get him away from the TV and into a RPG?
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The big turn off for guys and rpg's is shopping. Guys hate shopping! And think about it.: you have to shop for a game system you'll like, maybe try a few on for size, pick one you like then shop for accessories. Then you finally get ready to play and the first thing you do after statting up is shop for gear!
Pathfinder has an entire book devoted to shopping! I mean SERIOUSLY!!!
If you've ever gone shopping with your gf/wife/so, you know exactly what THE HUSBAND CHAIR is. Well, with all the shopping going on in rpg's, it starts to feel like your seat at the game table is one of those.
After laughing I began to miss gaming with my boyfriend...
Any suggestions on how to get him away from the TV and into a RPG?
Suggest that you two can act out certain kinds of interactions with the NPCs that catch his character's interests after a game.
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While the blatant sexism I receive from the groups of women I play Pathfinder among is one thing, the most hurtful interactions often come, ironically, from when I am in a group with one or more other men.
You would think these guys would be friendly and supportive in seeing another man at the table, but no...more often, it's passive-aggressive comments like "Do you even lift, bro?" or "Yeah, I already got that shirt at Abercrombie last week, guy". I'm not sure if they feel threatened by me, or just feel like I'm infringing on their territory, or what.
I just try to be nice and let it roll off my back or engage them with talk of how the Lakers are doing this year or what they think about the Angels playoff chances are here in '13.
Some though, just won't have it and it's obvious that they want to be the special flower at the table.
So, the best I can do in that situation is just play as well as I can, then tip the brim of my mesh trucker hat to them at the end and say,
"Later, brah."
@Lamontius: I'm sorry to hear you haven't found a more supportive environment. Is that what guys talk about when they herd up and migrate to the men's room?
@Studpuffin: I'm sorry, but it feels strange RPing a bromance. I... I just can't. The girls would never let me live it down.
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I guess there may be a problem somewhere here... I am reminded about a situation I had some time ago. A male at our all-girl table was going to join us. He wanted to make a bard/cleric half-elf girl, but thankfully we could convince him to play a half-orc barbarian male, since we already had both bard and cleric classes filled times several. We played a few sessions, a deep intrigue version of Rappan Athuk without traps, monsters or dungeons. It was a bit of a homebrew that focused on intraparty relationships, horse animal companions and shopping which we all loved, but the male complained to me that he wanted some kind of combat, to see how the system worked. I said we might get to that, but sadly we did not and it was like he just wasn't interested in the game anymore. He quit a ten sessions later. I still have no idea why. Ah well, live and learn, I suppose.
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No, no, you have it all wrong. When men get involved in the gaming, it totally ruins the atmosphere. Why shouldn't we be able to talk about "Aunt Flo"? Why shouldn't we be able to spend entire sessions shopping for the perfect gear or descring how we look for a visit to the royal court? Why shouldn't we be able to let our hair down and relax? Why shouldn't we revel in the unadulterated roleplaying of a good "girl's night out" RPG?
If they can't take it, they shouldn't try to play with the big girls.
@roccojr: I hear you, but we do need gear -- properly accessorized gear. Do you have any suggestions for how to fix that problem?
@Sissyl: Horse animal companions? How could he not be interested? <3
@Studpuffin: Be fair. It gave you +1 to AC while carrying the purses. As long as they were leather purses, and not that cheap canvas or macrame.
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While the blatant sexism I receive from the groups of women I play Pathfinder among is one thing, the most hurtful interactions often come, ironically, from when I am in a group with one or more other men.
You would think these guys would be friendly and supportive in seeing another man at the table, but no...more often, it's passive-aggressive comments like "Do you even lift, bro?" or "Yeah, I already got that shirt at Abercrombie last week, guy". I'm not sure if they feel threatened by me, or just feel like I'm infringing on their territory, or what.
I just try to be nice and let it roll off my back or engage them with talk of how the Lakers are doing this year or what they think about the Angels playoff chances are here in '13.
Some though, just won't have it and it's obvious that they want to be the special flower at the table.
So, the best I can do in that situation is just play as well as I can, then tip the brim of my mesh trucker hat to them at the end and say,
"Later, brah."
Wow, Lamontius. Your experience sounds very similar to one I had when trying to break into the male dominated knitting circle in my area. The one other woman there was really just doing it for the attention, not because she actually enjoyed knitting. Personally, I don't understand how someone could possibly invest so much time and energy into a hobby that they didn't truly enjoy, just for the attention of the opposite sex. But apparently, people do!
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Well, I guess someone doesn't want the sweater I knitted them, now do they?
I am going to go hunting in my sweater, thank you very much.
I knitted it to look like the front of a tuxedo.
Pick something up for yourself, you can eat it right before you sleep on the couch tonight.
If you apologize, maybe you can have a pillow.
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Also, what's with all the called shots to the groin? @_@
I'm sure you can find a game where things like that don't happen. Where you get to kill things and rampage around violently without any consequences, but I prefer gritty, reality based games where you can be socially ostracized by every NPC in the game if you don't act properly in character. Where called shots to the groin do happen. These things happened in real life all the time. If you can't handle real life, you can play some weird Transformers type game, where nothing gritty and real happens, and everyone's friends in the end.
But then, again, you should make your own game. Don't come in here and ruin mine!
I told you that males can build characters just as well as women!
*snork* Only if you give him a calculator. Men have no head for numbers.
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Sorry, sorry. My wife stole the keyboard in addition to hogging the TV remote.
I run a game with some of my friends and have managed to get my boyfriend interested in playing, but recently realized he may be feeling uncomfortable about gaming alone with so many women.
Hey, it's perfect party, me and three to five women. Somehow I tend to end as party's pet... What's not love in such games?
Do males play RPG's? Sure, I see a lot of boys... er, males... er, men (What is politically correct? I don't want to be offensive) at Gamestop and the other video game stores, but it seems to be strictly ladies' night at the gaming table and VTT.
So, do males enjoy role play? You know, beyond hitting stuff and blowing it up? I want to make my game fun for everyone, not just for women. How do I get them engaged in the game when we're not killing things?
Oh, we do love role-playing! Try World Of Darkness, Legend Of The Five Rings or Fading Suns for that, the background is rich and gives lots of possibility...
One time, the girls actually let me kill a bad guy!
*sniff* Girls never let me finish the bad guy, they always shot him dead before I can reach him with my monoswords. Damn automatic weapons.
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I'm so glad you started this thread, Treppa. I am thinking of running a game, actually, but I am concerned that the ladies at the table won't be able to keep their eyes off of my manly physique. Since they're probably not used to a man in the GM chair, should I make sure I wear high collars, long sleeves, and long pants so they don't get distracted? I have a turtleneck that might work, but it's a bit tight, so I can wear a sweater over it to hide the outline of my torso.
Be careful CH. Some gamer girls are turned on by gay men, they might want to try to seduce you or even read badly written yaoi-fics to you.
They... they made me play a bard.
They let you play the bard?! Nooo!