So, let's say you are playing a Barbarian with Spell Sunder and that one of your allies fails a save vs a harmful spell with a duration. Is there anything to keep the victim from intentionally allowing a Barbarian to autosucceed at a Spell Sunder to dispel the spell?
After all, when spell sunder is aimed at a spell on a person, the CMB is opposed by the target's CMD+5. If the target is willing, then it isn't like the barbarian should be opposed by the target's STR, DEX, or BAB. So, technically as long as the barbarian can get at least a 15 on the sunder check the spell should be dispelled.
Here's a similar question. Let's say the barbarian is the one who fails the saving throw. Can he spell sunder *himself* to break the spell? Can he choose to automatically succeed at the CMB check vs his own CMD when he does this?
Yes, I know this is probably an exploit of how the spell sunder rules work. I'm just curious if this is the correct RAW interpretation.
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Interesting.
You still need to roll the attack as you need to know by how much you overcame the target CMB to see if you have simply suppressed or if you have dispelled the spell.
I would say that the target CMD would be 1 (he would not be using his BAB and he would treat his strength and dexterity as if he had a value of 1 in them).
So CMD+5 to suppress will give us a target of 6, with a total attack result of 11 he would suppress the spell for 2 rounds, 16+ and he would dispel it. Probably he would have better chances to succeed than a spellcaster of his level.
Questions:
- a spell that can't be dispelled by Dispel magic can be suppressed by Spell Sunder?
- It can be dispelled?
Seems like something that should actually work.
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Questions:
- a spell that can't be dispelled by Dispel magic can be suppressed by Spell Sunder?
- It can be dispelled?
According Jason, the answer to both of these is probably Yes.
Yea, it seems that spell sunder is crazy good. And I used to think the only really good build for barbarians was the Pounce build.
Jason Nelson is a RPG superstar, not a Developer.
Good point. However, it does seem like most of the consensus is on what he said. It would be good to see a developer response though.
So, the other question that hasn't really been answered: can a barbarian sunder a spell that has been put on himself?
Why not? We can look at the rules for Confusion for how attacking yourself works (auto-success/damage).
The rules for Spell Sunder never specify 'foe' only, and I don't see why you can't Sunder yourself if you can stab yourself.
At absolute minimum, I don't see any argument for why you couldn't target your own normal CMD.
Personally, if the target is 'willing', I would just make a CMB check vs. the Caster Level + 15.
FYI, I don't thinking calling Jason Nelson 'not a developer' is quite accurate, he's written plenty of Paizo published rules. He's not on their regular staff, rather he works as a freelancer, but that doesn't seem like a major difference in terms of the core task of 'developing rules'.