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A 1-hour BBC show about Eugenics.


A 1-hour Madonna concert about being awesome


10 hours of Prince Adam singing about his existential angst.


Get into the groove, yeah, you got to prove
Your love for meeeeeeee, yeah

Ahem.

Egypt: Down with Morsi! Down with the Army! Workers to Power!

And some labor shiznit:

BART Strike

And it might be an exciting summer at work this year


I've heard nonstop b$@++ing about the BART strike from my clients in Cali.


Tell 'em to shut their filthy scab mouths.


After plowing through Nickel and Dimed and Bait and Switch, I think I am in love with Barbara Ehrenreich and volunteer to provide her with stud service, even if she is 40 years older than me.

On Bait and Switch

On Democracy Now!

On The Daily Show

On Weed

On Positive Thinking


Don Juan de Doodlebug wrote:
Happy 4th of July, everybody!!

Well, it's that time of day, again, to go peddle socialist newspapers.

See ya later, comrades!

Liberty's Edge

Ten Graphics on the Bechdel Test.

(Some more comments from the creator on the reddit thread here.)

Statistics are fun!

"It seems that the test is a good way to measure if female characters are having the same voice as the male character, but not so much to measure what this voice is saying."


Shifty wrote:
There seems to be a trend of it being from a smaller range of geographical locations though. Or is it just that some areas take their religion so serious it borders on a bloodsport?

Sorry for the time it took to reply to this, busy week.

If you're saying what I think you're saying, then this is a very astute observation.

Yes, these fights are being fought on a smaller and smaller scale. It's all a matter of game theory and strategy. See, the radical conservatives have learned that their ideas don't play very well on a national stage. Americans tend to be fairly tolerant and socially liberal, which is why a presidential nominee won't succeed if they're not seen as at least being a "compassionate conservative".

But there are pockets, especially in the south, of extremely religious, extremely vocal, low-information voters. Or just far-right conservatives in general. You may find it difficult to elect one of them even to congress or senate for less than the 10 million or so it takes to polish that turd.

However, that same 10 million can get you 20 guaranteed state legislature seats, or just about every school board position in the state. The state legislatures are who set the rules for how voting works in an individual state (that list of people, incidentally, likely won't include blacks for longer in Mississippi or Alabama) and draws up the districts for national congressional seats. We call this gerrymandering, which is a polite euphamism for ratf&@*ing.

So we have seen this flood of money, since the supreme court says you can't stop someone from spending money to propagandize the voting populace, let alone build a dam to stop the deluge of corporate cash FLOODING into smaller and smaller races, we get local electorates that are absolutely GONZO and do not answer to the people at large.

I mean, bypassing congress and implementing new, draconian laws against abortion or teaching evolution in schools in 50 individual states may SEEM like it's the hard way...at first. See, you would need someone or something to coordinate all these different state houses.

It's called the American Legislative Exchange Council, or ALEC. They create bill "templates" for conservative politicians who don't really speak legalese (let alone have an education above the 8th grade) and a lot of the politicians who introduce this legislation don't read or know many of the provisions in it. But this explains how we get nearly identical anti-abortion bills introduced in Wisconsin and Texas, like, weeks apart.

Liberty's Edge

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Also, don't forget that for some idiotic reason judges, even state supreme Court judges, are elected in lots of places.

The US Chamber of Commerce buys lots of those elections.


I don't often go to Infowars, but my hetero life partner does and sometimes he finds some stuff that I like.

For example

Hee hee!


Don Juan de Doodlebug wrote:

I don't often go to Infowars, but my hetero life partner does and sometimes he finds some stuff that I like.

For example

Hee hee!

Don't read InfoWars, it rots your brain!

Also, the comments on that page are high-larious.

Liberty's Edge

What on earth am I looking at? Is this some site by some especially nutty mouthpiece?

Liberty's Edge

Yes.


Believe me, if I could have found footage of inebriated LGBT people/allies assaulting anti-gay provocateurs on some other site, I would have linked that.

Liberty's Edge

Sure you would have, Bolshevik.

:)


Alice Margatroid wrote:
As far as I understand it, intersectionality is very much a third-wave feminism thing, although for people like me who pretty much know nothing but third-wave feminism it seems incredibly obvious. I believe bell hooks is one of those authors who hit the topic early (and hence continues to be incredibly relevant today). Wikipedia suggests it was " highlighted by Kimberlé Crenshaw in 1989" so that is comparatively recent, I suppose.

Kimberle Crenshaw, of Wikipedia intersectional fame, is even less thrilled about the DOMA ruling than Comrade Jeff:

All of Us or None: Civil Rights and the Supreme Court: Why We Can’t Celebrate by DEVON CARBADO, KIMBERLÉ CRENSHAW and CHERYL HARRIS

And, for a little off-topicness, my fave anti-imperialist Britishiznoid journalist on Egypt:

What's Plan C for Egypt? The Fall of Morsi and the Neocolonial Project by DAN GLAZEBROOK

Liberty's Edge

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Ehh. Isn't it possible to celebrate one (rather important!) step forward while still being mindful of what we have left to do?

No freedom till we're equal to be sure. But I can be happy for the progress in LGBT rights without losing sight of the fact that African-Americans get the short stick as well.


Alice Margatroid wrote:
Ehh. Isn't it possible to celebrate one (rather important!) step forward while still being mindful of what we have left to do?

Not according to Ms. Crenshaw and friends.


Yeah, the "All of Us or None" type of rhetoric is why some activists lose the interest of larger segments of the population. While they make valid points about setbacks in civil rights, they are inadvertently presenting the issue as a monolithic, unsolvable problem, which fundamentally turns people off from talking/caring/acting.

"If we can't celebrate success, why try at all?" is the unintended message they plant in people's brains.

Sovereign Court

Also why not wait to see if this has a negative effect before declaring defeat? The South is still a hotbed of racism and inequality but that sort of thing is floating under the radar everywhere. I'd say we need to give them the opportunity to fail before we get to say "told you so"

I mean voter ID laws came out with the Voter's Right act still in effect and they were overturned before the election. I suspect that people have a right to be worried but maybe we don't have enough faith in the system.


Guy Humual wrote:

Also why not wait to see if this has a negative effect before declaring defeat? The South is still a hotbed of racism and equality but that sort of thing is floating under the radar everywhere. I'd say we need to give them the opportunity to fail before we get to say "told you so"

I mean voter ID laws came out with the Voter's Right act still in effect and they were overturned before the election. I suspect that people have a right to be worried but maybe we don't have enough faith in the system.

In general they were overturned precisely because most of them required preclearance under the very section of the VRA that was just struck down.

Several states have already gone ahead with laws they were holding on because they knew they wouldn't pass muster.

They can still be challenged under other sections of the VRA, but it's now a much longer and more expensive processs.

Sovereign Court

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the part that was struck down by the Supreme court was the bit that required certain southern states to require preclearance, but the voter ID laws were enacted in places like Virginia, Ohio, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. Those states (to my knowledge) weren't covered under the section of the Voters Right Act that was struck down by the Supreme Court.

Liberty's Edge

The solution would be for all states to require preclearance.

Beveling that if those states still on the list weren't a problem they wouldn't still be on the list since getting removed just required, well, not discriminating for a decade.

The good news is that bailed in jurisdictions are still subject to preclearance, and any jurisdiction over reaching will likely find itself added to that list.

Still a horrible decision.


Guy Humual wrote:
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the part that was struck down by the Supreme court was the bit that required certain southern states to require preclearance, but the voter ID laws were enacted in places like Virginia, Ohio, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. Those states (to my knowledge) weren't covered under the section of the Voters Right Act that was struck down by the Supreme Court.

Virginia was subject to preclearance. The others weren't.

You're right, it is still possible to block some of the more egregious problems.

There will just be far more to do.


Irontruth wrote:
"If we can't celebrate success, why try at all?" is the unintended message they plant in people's brains.

Maybe in yours.

Liberty's Edge

Parts of Virginia were subject to preclearance, numerous countries had been removed from the list due to demonstrating voter registration efforts and not having discriminated for a decade. That's literally how easy getting off the list was. Voter registration efforts and not trying anything that got rejected by the Department of Justice.

Now, what does that say about those jurisdictions still subject to preclearance?


Don Juan de Doodlebug wrote:
Irontruth wrote:
"If we can't celebrate success, why try at all?" is the unintended message they plant in people's brains.
Maybe in yours.

Actually, in most people.

A short talk about myths of change.

The rhetoric used in that CP article is the least effective type you can use to get people to alter their behavior.

Sovereign Court

I agree that it was a bad ruling but I have some faith that the US system isn't doomed. It means more work I'm sure but I can't say that I agree with the conclusions of the article that Don Juan de Doodlebug linked. Things aren't good, but that's not the same as saying things are bad.

Liberty's Edge

The thing you have to remember is that Counter Punch is the Insane Leftist equivalent of Infowars or WorldNetDaily.

Sovereign Court

I know none of those news sites. I get all of my American news from the Daily Show and Colbert Report. I consider myself pretty well informed.

Liberty's Edge

Infowars and the WND are more extreme examples of what Colbert is making fun of.


Irontruth wrote:
Don Juan de Doodlebug wrote:
Irontruth wrote:
"If we can't celebrate success, why try at all?" is the unintended message they plant in people's brains.
Maybe in yours.

Actually, in most people.

A short talk about myths of change.

The rhetoric used in that CP article is the least effective type you can use to get people to alter their behavior.

I already celebrated a couple days ago. I think I even said "Huzzah!"

Now I'm reading all the shiznit they pulled against black rights and I'm wondering why it's only the crazy leftists on CounterPunch who seem to be saying anything about it.

But keep partyin', dude. Gay marriage and marijuana laws: Bread and circus for the new millennium.


I'm not disagreeing with the facts of the piece.

I'm disagreeing with the tone and tenor of the piece.

I'm disagreeing with the "all of us or none of us" philosophy. Because it tells me that we shouldn't try to achieve anything, unless we're also going to achieve everything else.

Partially it's a fundamental difference in strategy. At my heart, I'm an incrementalist. Take success where you can get it, even while you keep fighting for the bigger picture. Instead of saying "this isn't enough", I'd rather hear "let's snowball this success into the next challenge".

Liberty's Edge

Smoke less.

It's been talked about plenty by various radio programs. Thom Hartman, Ed Schultz, Stephanie Miller, Mark Thompson, and Media Matters have all talked about it.

Of course, there's not much new to say on it so it's become something other then top of the heap. Which totally justifies Counter Punch's usual cynical, fatalistic, and borderline conspiracy theory laden form of journalism.


Krensky wrote:

Smoke less.

It's been talked about plenty by various radio programs. Thom Hartman, Ed Schultz, Stephanie Miller, Mark Thompson, and Media Matters have all talked about it.

Well, there you go. I don't listen to the radio.


Guy Humual wrote:
I get all of my American news from the Daily Show and Colbert Report.

In that case, you ARE better informed than most Americans, and certainly moreso than any regular Fox News viewer.


And...California is in the lead once again.

Sovereign Court

Forced sterilization. Well at least it's no longer part of a eugenics program.

The Exchange

Calybos1 wrote:
Guy Humual wrote:
I get all of my American news from the Daily Show and Colbert Report.

In that case, you ARE better informed than most Americans, and certainly moreso than any regular Fox News viewer.

In your mind at least

I find it better to get american news from another country so much less political bias makes it in. and if you think your news source is not bias it is only because it shares yours.

Sovereign Court

Andrew R wrote:
Calybos1 wrote:
Guy Humual wrote:
I get all of my American news from the Daily Show and Colbert Report.

In that case, you ARE better informed than most Americans, and certainly moreso than any regular Fox News viewer.

In your mind at least

I find it better to get american news from another country so much less political bias makes it in. and if you think your news source is not bias it is only because it shares yours.

I get some American news from my Canadian news source, but the Daily Show and Colbert Report often looks at the meta, they show not only the news but how the news is reported. They're mostly reporting on how the news is presented.

The Exchange

Guy Humual wrote:
Andrew R wrote:
Calybos1 wrote:
Guy Humual wrote:
I get all of my American news from the Daily Show and Colbert Report.

In that case, you ARE better informed than most Americans, and certainly moreso than any regular Fox News viewer.

In your mind at least

I find it better to get american news from another country so much less political bias makes it in. and if you think your news source is not bias it is only because it shares yours.
I get some American news from my Canadian news source, but the Daily Show and Colbert Report often looks at the meta, they show not only the news but how the news is reported. They're mostly reporting on how the news is presented.

with their own bias


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Reality is biased.


Just as equally Insane Leftist, but, hopefully, Comrade Irontruth will like the tone better: The work yet to be done

And another Supreme Court decision that I must've been [bubble bubble bubbling] when Thom Hartmann covered it: A new blow to Native sovereignty


Gender Wars: The Soul Interlude

Roxanne Shante--"Independent Woman"
Laura Lee--"Woman's Love Rights"
The Persuaders--"Thin Line Between Love and Hate"
The 8th Day--"You've Got to Crawl"


More cynicism

More fatalism

(And, yes, Grammie is wearing a t-shirt reading WTF Wells Fargo!)

More borderline conspiracy theory-laden journalism


Also.

I thought this article was pretty stupid, but, then again, I'm a pretty committed Marxist Anti-Feminist.

And, as much as I don't care for Tony Cliff (expelled from international Trotskyism all the way back in the early fifties for refusing to defend North Korea), if the worst example of "sexism" you can pull out is:

"He could sometimes make sexist remarks, reflecting the male-dominated culture of the traditional labor movement. For example, Cliff would explain the need for realistic expectations by saying, 'I'd like to sleep with Gina Lolabrigida (sic), but I have to put up with what I've got'"

then maybe you should shut up.

Gina Lollobridgia

OHWFA!


Well, after Texas and North Carolina and Wisconisn and wherever else the f&@!, I am feeling pretty cynical and fatalistic.

Let's see if these borderline conspiracy theory laden journalists can cheer me up.


Hmm. Not really. Liked that hawt chick they dragged away, though.

Right on, sister!

[Raises fist]

Hmm. Maybe this will cheer me up.

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