Perception check for Delayed Blast Fireball?


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Topic title. Basically, what is the Perception check DC for seeing the bead created by Delayed Blast Fireball? If you automatically see it, that kinda makes the spell pointless. Still...

A sorcerer in my game just cast Time Stop and plunked down two Delayed Blast Fireballs. Obviously, the party spellcasters didn't see the spell being cast. If they're not specifically looking for the Delayed Blast Fireball beads, do they even have a chance to see them? For the record, the sorcerer cast two Quickened Hungry Pit spells during the Time Stop rounds as well, so the group is scrambling not to get killed. Lots of stuff going on. I'm not sure how to rule this.


Well seeing as how the description states that it is a glowing bead, I would say something relatively low like DC 10 or so. If a globe of light suddenly appears out of nowhere it would be pretty noticable.


well, it describes it as a bead... which is pretty small.
If you assume that puts it at Fine (a reasonable assumption)... that will make it hard to spot on general principles.

If we treat it like a creature:
So a DC of 0 to notice something visible...
+16 due to its size...
+5 due to distraction...
perhaps a minus for favorable conditions (its glowing in a dark room or the like)

DC 20 seems a decent rough ballpark.


I guess it depends on the size of the bead. I assume it would be the same size as a bead of force or the beads on a necklace of fireballs but as there are no rules for the size it's up to the GM.


DreamGoddessLindsey wrote:

Topic title. Basically, what is the Perception check DC for seeing the bead created by Delayed Blast Fireball? If you automatically see it, that kinda makes the spell pointless. Still...

A sorcerer in my game just cast Time Stop and plunked down two Delayed Blast Fireballs. Obviously, the party spellcasters didn't see the spell being cast. If they're not specifically looking for the Delayed Blast Fireball beads, do they even have a chance to see them? For the record, the sorcerer cast two Quickened Hungry Pit spells during the Time Stop rounds as well, so the group is scrambling not to get killed. Lots of stuff going on. I'm not sure how to rule this.

I would think EvilMinion's DC of 20 is pretty accurate.

Though just noticing the bead by no means renders the spell useless. Non-magic characters probably aren't going to know what the hell it is. I would make players also make a spellcraft check at the normal DC for identifying a spell as it is being cast, to know just what the tiny bead is.

If PC's get used to the little beads and you rule they don't need the spellcraft checks a good way to mess with them is to have little red beads hung by fishing line. It''ll make em nice and paranoid.


It's not trying to sneak and they don't list a perception check to see it so I have to believe the glowing is bright enough that a DC 5 is the best you get.

However, why don't you just have them go off as soon as the time stop ends?


Unfrotunately as it's glowing it's going to be pretty easy to spot. I would rule 0 in daylight (equivalent to spotting a person) or -10 in dark conditions (equivalent to a battle or stinking garbage) as it's ability to attract the eye is much much greater than it's size. Perception modifiers which haven't already been taken into account (favourable/unfavourable) would then be applied to that

If the delayed fireball was covered with something lightproof (how about putting them in small pouches) then they would be much much harder to spot; +16 for fine sized objects before perception modifiers.


DeltaOneG wrote:

It's not trying to sneak and they don't list a perception check to see it so I have to believe the glowing is bright enough that a DC 5 is the best you get.

However, why don't you just have them go off as soon as the time stop ends?

You have no way of knowing how long your Time Stop will last, so you have to put Delayed Blast Fireball at 5 rounds or it might not work at all.

Anyway, I ended up ruling out Perception checks altogether.

1) They were placed during Time Stop.
2) They were placed in a pile of gold coins that covered the room, making everything shine.
3) It was during battle with a lot of other things going on.
4) They didn't know the spell had been cast and weren't trying to look for it.
5) The beads were placed on the ground and the wizard was flying 50 feet over their heads, keeping their eyes tuned upward.

They survived the battle, albeit barely. It was a hella good time.


if you don't account for its size, you're basically saying a full grown person is as easy to notice as a fly if both of just standing there.

That is not even remotely accurate.

I stick with my DC 20 number!

Though I do like Anvil's suggestion of tacking on a knowledge check of some sort to recognize it (arcana or spellcraft(or both)).

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