Bane vs. Subtype?


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The Exchange

Pathfinder Lost Omens, Rulebook Subscriber

Run into a weird little bug with Bane. Can you bane specifically to a subtype? There seems to be weapons that do this. Specifically the subtype Shapeshifting.

If I'm right it would hit Oni, Kitsune, Druids, etc.

But if you look under BANE it only targets primary monster type then subtype. ie. I could do Outsider (Shapeshifter) or Humanoid (Shapeshifter).

So...how does Bane and Subtypes work?

Sovereign Court

You have to pick type and if applicable a subtype (for humanoid and outsiders). I see nothing that would allow you to pick just a subtype, especially since many of the options in the Bane weapon list have no subtype.

Now, for your home game, if you DM allows it, that's fine. The problem with Bane is it's more or less useful depending on what you're fighting. Undead Bane encompasses a great many creatures, where Humanoid (Gnoll) is probably pretty useless unless you fight nothing but Gnolls. I would ask your DM if you could pick just a subtype as long as that subtype doesn't include more creatures than normal. You'd have to set that for your campaign.

Silver Crusade

"Can you bane specifically to a subtype?"

In the case of Humanoids and Outsiders, you have to; primary type first, then sub-type. Outsider(Shapeshifter) and Humanoid(Shapeshifter) are different, and a bane of one doesn't apply to the other. Similarly, a bane Outsider(Humanoid) doesn't work on Humanoids, unless they are Outsider(Humanoid).

Make sense?

You can find all the sub-types HERE for most sub-types and HERE for new creature sub-types.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
TheLoneCleric wrote:

Run into a weird little bug with Bane. Can you bane specifically to a subtype? There seems to be weapons that do this. Specifically the subtype Shapeshifting.

If I'm right it would hit Oni, Kitsune, Druids, etc.

But if you look under BANE it only targets primary monster type then subtype. ie. I could do Outsider (Shapeshifter) or Humanoid (Shapeshifter).

So...how does Bane and Subtypes work?

For a home campaign I would absolutely have no problems with this as it's a great flavor definer. On the downside however, I would give no discounts or powerups despite the fact that the power is narrower focused than the Bane (type) power.

For PFS, it would be a nonstarter as that would be a custom enchantment.

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