So I'm about to start a campaign and I have a character that is interested in playing a Halfling Summoner that rides his Eidolon and he plans on taking Mounted Combat, Ride-By Attack, and Spirited Charge. Anyway, I had a few questions regarding mounted combat.
1: Can both the rider and the mount attack on during a charge?
2: If the mount has the pounce special feature can it full attack and then continue moving after charging?
3: If the eidolon gets wings does it need to take Fly-By Attack in order to continue moving after it makes an attack or does Ride-By Attack cover both situations?
1: Can both the rider and the mount attack on during a charge?
I would rule yes as long as they both attack the same target.
2: If the mount has the pounce special feature can it full attack and then continue moving after charging?
I would rule no. I do not believe you can use this and Ride-By Attack/Fly-By Attack at the same time. Both are additions to charge and I do not think you can add both of them to the normal rules at the same time.
3: If the eidolon gets wings does it need to take Fly-By Attack in order to continue moving after it makes an attack or does Ride-By Attack cover both situations?
Interesting question. I would rule that you can use either one at a time. Both are a lot alike, but they are still different. Fly-By Attack does not allow you to use double movement like Ride-By Attack does. Ride-By Attack forces you to move in a straight line and has to be done as part of a Charge, which is not the case for Fly-By Attack. So I believe you could use either to Move-Attack-Move, but the two give different benefits and you would have to choose which one to use at which time.
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So I'm about to start a campaign and I have a character that is interested in playing a Halfling Summoner that rides his Eidolon and he plans on taking Mounted Combat, Ride-By Attack, and Spirited Charge. Anyway, I had a few questions regarding mounted combat.
1: Can both the rider and the mount attack on during a charge?
2: If the mount has the pounce special feature can it full attack and then continue moving after charging?
3: If the eidolon gets wings does it need to take Fly-By Attack in order to continue moving after it makes an attack or does Ride-By Attack cover both situations?
1) Yes, as long as you succeed on the DC 10 Ride check.
2)The Eidolon's Pounce ability actually specifically designates that the Full Attack can be made after a charge, so I'd probably say no here.
You can verify that here.
3)I'm going to need to back up a bit to clarify something here. Nothing in Ride-by Attack allows your mount to attack and continue moving during a charge. It just allows you to attack in the middle (or wherever) of the charge. Adding Flyby Attack to the mix would now allow your mount to attack in the middle (or wherever) of a movement, but it is not using the charge action, so you can't use Ride-by attack, which specifically requires the use of the charge action to work. Flyby Attack allows a creature to take a move action, use a standard action at any point during the move, and then finish out its movement. Charging is a special Full-round action.
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2: If the mount has the pounce special feature can it full attack and then continue moving after charging?I would rule no. I do not believe you can use this and Ride-By Attack/Fly-By Attack at the same time. Both are additions to charge and I do not think you can add both of them to the normal rules at the same time.
You are right in that they cannot be used together, but wrong about why. Ride-by Attack must be used as part of a Charge Attack, which is a Full Round Action. Flyby Attack actually cannot be used with the charge action because it specifically allows you to take a move action and use a standard action at any point in the movement.
Charge+Ride-by Attack = 1 Full Round ActionFlyby Attack = 1 Move Action + 1 Standard Action
Thanks for the info guys. I guess that does leave me with one last question though, if the duo charges someone and does not continue moving can the PC deal spirited charge damage and have his Eidolon full attack because of pounce?
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Thanks for the info guys. I guess that does leave me with one last question though, if the duo charges someone and does not continue moving can the PC deal spirited charge damage and have his Eidolon full attack because of pounce?
Absolutely.
Again, there's that DC 10 Ride check you have to make whenever you want both yourself and your mount to attack during the same turn, but otherwise that's a primo damage combo.If you want to kick it up a notch, consider grabbing Vital Strike and Improved Vital Strike with your Summoner. Normally the Vital Strike feats are useless for characters who prefer to charge, but the action economy represented by mounted combat opens up for some fun damage-boosting combos like Vital Striking Spirited Charges. Mounted Combat allows you to gain the benefits of your mounts charge while maintaining your own action pool, letting you use standard and full-round actions even when your mount is charging.
For anyone who disagrees with what I just said, feel free to have that conversation here.