So im looking at making an Oracle of Wood. Eldritch Heritage synergies wonderfully with Oracles. I am torn between Orc and Sylvan bloodlines. If I went 1 level of Cross-blooded for both, could I take the Sylvan (Animal Companion) 1st and then use Improved Eldritch Heritage to grab Strength of the Beast from the Orc bloodline when my character was 9th level?
You can't take EH in a bloodline that you already have.
Improved EH restricts you to choosing the same bloodline you chose for EH.
also eldritch heritage only allows bloodlines, not archetypes. sylvan can only be chosen by being a fey sorcerer then choosing the wildblooded archetype, so you cannot get it with eldritch heritage.
Also, since Eldrich Heritage doesn't grant you the Bloodline Arcana in addition to the Bloodline Power, you can't have the Animal Companion from Sylvan even with the feat. (Animal companion is both the arcana and the power for sylvan, it is stretching belief to believe you get it from the feat without an FAQ specifically saying you do)
^ He specifically mentioned taking Sylvan via an actual level of Sorceror (Wildblooded, Cross-Blooded) which of course does have Arcana.
(I don't think that's legal to take both Wildblooded and Crossblooded per RAW, they both modify the same Class Features)
I'm not really sure, but from the OP it looks like he thinks he can skip Eldritch Heritage and take Imp Eld Heritage (Orc BL) directly. As mentioned, you can't take EH for BL's you already have, and you need to take all the EH feats in order, you can't skip lower level ones, even if they do nothing for you (e.g. give you Claws when you already have Claws).
He CAN take a level in Wildblooded(Sylvan) Sorceror (Fey BL) and then take Eldritch Heritage and Improved Eldritch Heritage (Orc BL). Note: since Sylvan's Animal Companion is tied to your Class Levels of Sorceror, the Animal Companion is not going to scale with your total character level. As mentioned, you can't take Sylvan via Eldritch Heritage (which does scale powers based on total character level) because Wildblooded:(Sylvan) is a Sorceror Class Archetype that modifies the Fey Sorceror Bloodline... it isn't a Sorceror Bloodline of it's own (Although some GM's may allow that as a house-rule).
BTW, 'synergizes' is the word the OP was trying to use, 'synergies' is a plural noun, not a verb.
A bloodline from an archetype is still a sorcerer bloodline. I see nothing preventing you from obtaining it with the Eldritch Heritage line.
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^ He specifically mentioned taking Sylvan via an actual level of Sorceror (Wildblooded, Cross-Blooded) which of course does have Arcana.
(I don't think that's legal to take both Wildblooded and Crossblooded per RAW, they both modify the same Class Features)
i don't think that is true. crossblooded just adds to what you have, not changing anything except the amount of spells you get a day, so i believe that they are both valid on one sorcerer.
A bloodline from an archetype is still a sorcerer bloodline. I see nothing preventing you from obtaining it with the Eldritch Heritage line.
we have already had a ridiculously long argument about this in another thread. It is my opinion that since the wildblooded bloodlines are listed in a different section of the book, specifically under the archetype section, and not with the other sorcerer bloodlines in the book, that they are different from normal sorcerer bloodlines becuase they alter existing ones and are not bloodlines in and of themselves, and require a sorcerer archetype to get them, and therefore not available with eldritch heritage.
i know you do not agree with that. but that seems to be the prevailing opinion until such time as a developer says one way or the other.
Personally I wish it was possible, but i just can't justify that interpretation the way it is presented. I would love to have a paladin with an animal companion. (without having to be a sacred servant of erastil or something like that)
i see nothing characterizing sylvan as a sorceror bloodline, which is what EH cares about, not 'bloodlines' more broadly.
wildblooded sorcerors (sylvan) still have the fey sorceror bloodline,
along with something that isn't a sorceror bloodline: sylvan mutant bloodline (class archetype ability).
mutated bloodlines don't have a class skill, which is necessary for determining EH's skill focus pre-req:
ignoring everything else, there is no way to qualify for EH with mutant bloodlines, because there is no class skill...
wildblooded sorcerors already selected a normal sorceror BL which they continue to have, and they continue to use all it's features (including class skill), except as modified by the wildblooded archetype associated with their sorceror BL. selecting a mutated bloodline for EH (ignoring that EH specifies sorceror BL) does not let you ALSO select a second bloodline to use for other class abilities and the associated class skill. if you selected the base sorceror BL (fey) like real wildblooded sorcerors do first, then nothing in EH is letting you take a SECOND selection to apply a sorceror archetype on top of that previous selection. if the wildblooded mutant archetypes WERE just sorceror archetypes, then sorcerors wouldn't need to take that archetype in order to select them... of course, the rules clearly present the archetype as the only way to gain those mutated bloodlines (on top of the sorceror bloodline selection).
one cannot apply rules for an archetype unless you are taking class levels of that archetyped class.
Crossblooded is very clear that it changes more stuff than just spells:(I don't think that's legal to take both Wildblooded and Crossblooded per RAW, they both modify the same Class Features)i don't think that is true. crossblooded just adds to what you have, not changing anything except the amount of spells you get a day, so i believe that they are both valid on one sorcerer.
Crossblooded(Archetype)
Bloodline Arcana: A crossblooded sorcerer gains the bloodline arcana of both her bloodlines.
Bloodline Powers: At 1st, 3rd, 9th, 15th, and 20th levels, a crossblooded sorcerer gains one of the two new bloodline powers available to her at that level. She may instead select a lower-level bloodline power she did not choose in place of one of these higher-level powers.Wildblooded (Archetype)
Use the... mutated bloodline's bloodline arcana... [and] the mutated bloodline['s] powers which replace ...the normal bloodline's bloodline powers.
Both Archetypes are changing the BL Arcana Class Ability. Crossblooded is adding one BL's Arcana in addition to the normal one, Wildblooded is using the Mutated BL Arcana instead of the normal Sorceror BL Arcana. To combine them, you shouldn't get two Arcana at all, you should only get the Wildblooded Arcana. But that is why Archetypes that modify the same thing aren't meant to be combined, this is illegal since they are both modifying the Arcana class ability. Same as if one Fighter Archetype said you got to choose two weapon groups for every Weapon Training tier, and another said your Weapon Training applied to Grapples... those are modifying the same class feature, which is exactly what is barred by the rules for combining Archetypes.
As well, both Archetypes are modifying the BL Powers Class Ability. Wildblooded is replacing specific levels' BL Powers with new ones, while Crossblooded is changing EACH AND EVERY BL Power Class Ability to have the choice of gaining two different bloodlines' BL Powers as well as the choice of previous levels' BL Powers if those weren't chosen previously. To combine them, would Wildblooded 'take priority' and over-rule any 'choices' for that level of BL Power? Or would Cross-Blooded take priority, over-ruling the Wildblooded BL Powers entirely and leaving you with a choice between the two normal Sorceror BL's? Again, those conflict since they are modifications of the same Class Ability, so the Archetypes aren't compatable. The whole point of the rule barring such Archetype combos is so that you don't have to make subjective judgements on which Archetype has 'priority' when they intereract with the same Class Ability.
I'm fairly certain that Quandary is correct, from both a RAW and a FAQ perspective. That doesn't mean I agree with that ruling, but that is the difference between a game system and a game table.
right, and realistically, i will usually be open to allowing some combos like this at a home game (non PFS), albeit since that's GM Fiat i don't see it as a blanket allowance for any and all combos, but if it really makes somebody's character concept work and doesn't feel unbalanced, i would probably consider allowing it. but for a discussion in the 'Rules Question' forum, i think what the rules actually state has the most relevance.