Does myrmidarch magus get fighter training twice?


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Pardon if this has been asked before, but my google-fu seems to be weak today.

While building a conversion of Noel Vermillion i noticed that myrmidarch gains fighter training at 7th level (level counts as magus-3 for fighter feats, replaces knowledge pool), but the archetype doesn't seem to replace the regular fighter training gained at 10th level (1/2 level counts for fighter feats).

How exactly do they interact for the character (I'm assuming they don't stack, because that'd give you a fighter level larger than your actual level at higher levels)?
does one supersede the other? It'd be weird if you suddenly went from 9th level (have the 7th level fighter training, effective fighter level 6) to level 10 (pick up the second fighter training at 10, suddenly effective fighter level 5, also gimping the progression)

Or am I missing something important and just being dumb?


I was told getting it early supersedes the later version, cause it is the same way on the magus kensai.

Scarab Sages

AndIMustMask wrote:

Pardon if this has been asked before, but my google-fu seems to be weak today.

While building a conversion of Noel Vermillion i noticed that myrmidarch gains fighter training at 7th level (level counts as magus-3 for fighter feats, replaces knowledge pool), but the archetype doesn't seem to replace the regular fighter training gained at 10th level (1/2 level counts for fighter feats).

How exactly do they interact for the character (I'm assuming they don't stack, because that'd give you a fighter level larger than your actual level at higher levels)?
does one supersede the other? It'd be weird if you suddenly went from 9th level (have the 7th level fighter training, effective fighter level 6) to level 10 (pick up the second fighter training at 10, suddenly effective fighter level 5, also gimping the progression)

Or am I missing something important and just being dumb?

It doesn't seem like they were ever intended to stack, I believe you were just meant to receive that class feature earlier. Technically both abilities have one static effect "counts his magus level –3 as his fighter level for the purpose of qualifying for feats" and "count 1/2 your magus level as your fighter level.." so they aren't stackable abilities anyways. They both just let you count your magus level at a certain modification as your fighter level, so only the best of the two would apply.


The "level - 3" fighter training gained at level 7 is always better than 1/2 magus level gained at level 10. The myrmidarch's ability entirely replaces the standard magus fighter training.

No idea why the archetype doesn't remove or replace the level 10 fighter training ability. Editing mistake, probably.

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