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I am really curious how, or if at all, these will be incorporated in society play.
I would prefer that they leave PFS out of this and the APs completely and focus on making good adventures instead of trying to shoehorn a PFS Chronicle into every adventure product.
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Personally, i think the current 32 page format was great, and it´s a shame to see it go away...
I would prefer a solution less "radical" , with maybe 2x64 pages and 2x32 pages modules each year.
Because "big adventures" are great, but there is always a need for short stories. And please don´t throw at me the scenarios of PFS , because i´m a PFS organizer , and like them , BUT for that purpose , not for "one-shot" adventures.
I only play mods through PFS and not in my home games where we play either AP's or home brew. So, I'm hoping that there will be a PFS adjustment for the entire mod. Not just a shorter version of the mod. like they did for the AP's that were made PFS eligible. If that happens I'd probably never play any of the 64 page mods.
Late to the party as well. Not a subscriber, but have been buying both the 3.5 and PF modules for the past two years for use in OD&D as well as PFBB and C&C games.. Getting ready to run D0 to kick off a PFBB campaign this weekend AAMOF. This change is disheartening to me. I am not a fan of the AP product model, and now it seems we will be getting minipaths spanning several levels too? Self contained smaller modules make my life easy as a DM and father of two with little to no prep time each week, and satisfy the variety of adventure types approach I and my players favor (my campaigns are more like a book of Conan or Fafhrd/Mouser short stories, vs. The Lord of the Rings or other epic type tales).
I am not a member of the PFS, at least an active participant,.the in game PFS does not exist in my Golarion, and frankly, like LGH 10+ years ago, i find these types of scenarios underwhelming.
I hope in the future Paizo will consider offering large and small module formats so that everyone can find a product that meets their needs.
I like the notion of the adventure having more room to flesh things out.
My biggest concern, reading the summaries I've seen, is that while the 32-pagers were essentially 1 level adventures, generally, the 64 pagers seem to be 3-4 level adventures in general. That implies less word count per encounter and area.
PFS scenarios are good for the very quick drop-ins, but I would definitely like to see, among the 64-page adventures, some that are about the same length as a 32-pager in terms of number of encounters and expected game time, but just have much more detail.
I feel like I could get people over, build characters, and run a PFS scenario pretty easily in one session. I also feel like, with some work, I could probably drop in a PFS scenario in a campaign (though the faction missions, which I think are necessary to flesh out the feel of it) are much harder to insert. A 32-page module can be rushed through in one session (depending on the module; Fangwood Keep seems like I could run it in a day, whereas others feel like they need a couple of days).
I'm a very novice GM, and I find myself doing a lot of prep work filling in the gaps I see within most 32-page modules. (I'm not comfortable doing this on the fly.)
So I would definitely like to see some 32-page scope modules in the 64-page line... whether the extra space is taken up with more encounter detail, or a bigger gazetteer, or a few more monsters. Or even GMing tips & tricks and advice for the adventure. I'd also like to continue to see some of these longer ones; adventures that feel like they can comfortably make a short campaign.
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My biggest concern, reading the summaries I've seen, is that while the 32-pagers were essentially 1 level adventures, generally, the 64 pagers seem to be 3-4 level adventures in general. That implies less word count per encounter and area.
Many of the 32-pagers raise PCs by two levels, not one.
"Word count per encounter" is not a terribly useful measurement, as more complicated encounters take more words. It makes much more sense to look at page count.
Note that books have "front matter" and "back matter" which does not double in size when you double the size of the book. So [grabbing a Module off my shelf at random—it's Broken Chains], you get a title/credits page, a two-page spread introducing the adventure, 24 pages of "proper" adventure, two short appendices, and an OGL/advertising page.
In The Dragon's Demand, our first 64-pager, you get a title/credits page, a two-page spread introducing the adventure, 53 pages of "proper" adventure, two short appendices, and an OGL/advertising page.
So you actually get *more* than double the adventure in the 64-pager.
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I'm mostly neutral on this change. I didn't subscribe before, and I probably won't after. What I really miss is Dungeon, or something like it. Pack these with assorted smaller adventures and we'll talk...
I don't know if you are aware of Rite Publishing's adventure quarterly. It is something like Dungeon.
Fair points.
I guess, I was seeing adventures that seemed more than twice as long, in twice the pagecount (though it's more like 2.25x), and worrying that they would end up being less completely fleshed out because of it.
I would still like to see some smaller-scope adventures despite the larger page count; that's because I do also like the smaller-scope adventures as well as the larger ones. Especially with the amount of scheduling problems my groups are running into currently. Not to the exclusion of the larger adventures, I would like to continue to see adventures in the adventure length of the "typical" 32-pager, rather than replacing them entirely with longer adventures.
I hope in the future Paizo will consider offering large and small module formats so that everyone can find a product that meets their needs.
That. Well, for very short adventures, you can always look at Society scenarios. I recently used one without the Society complications to introduce some RPGs newbies to the game, which worked admirably in the 4-hour time slot we had at the FLGS. But these here are very nice short adventures, just right for one longer gaming session. Admittedly, these are a bit much if you have newbies at the table, especially the higher level ones. But a short one now and then would be nice.
Ive never been a subscriber to the modules but with the change I will be getting a subscription to this now
Unfortunately for me this means I will be cancelling my subscription after Doom Comes to Dustpawn.
I run AP's mostly, so I have little use for anything longer than a 32 page module that can potentially be used to enhance those or something short that will not take more than a few sessions to finish.
Additionally, I am an AP and Campaign Setting Subscriber as well. With the unpredictable release dates of the Campaign Settings often resulting in two in the same month combined with the potential release of a new super-format module in the same month, the total cost of the Monthly AP, plus two Campaign settings, plus the Module will exceed my monthly budget. I may pick up some of the Players Companions on an individual basis during the slower months but unfortunately this is a deal breaker for me.
Sorry, but I dont really have any other choice. :(
-Weslocke of Phazdaliom-
I'm mostly neutral on this change. I didn't subscribe before, and I probably won't after. What I really miss is Dungeon, or something like it. Pack these with assorted smaller adventures and we'll talk...I don't know if you are aware of Rite Publishing's adventure quarterly. It is something like Dungeon.
I was not -- thank you.