Evangelist / Hidden Priest


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Is it possible to take both Evangelist and Hidden Priest archetypes? Hidden priest gives clerics Armor Proficiency (Heavy), while Armor Proficiency (Medium) is lost with Evangelist.

I'm not concerned about the legality of wearing Heavy armor, since Medium Armor Proficiency is lost and thus makes Heavy illegal. Whatever, I'll wear light armor. I wonder if they "officially" modify the same level and interfere with one another.

Can you take both of these archetypes together?


Since they both modify your Class Armor Proficiency, RAW no. If you have a nice GM, see if he will let you combine them (thus giving you medium armor proficiency back)


dunebugg wrote:
Since they both modify your Class Armor Proficiency, RAW no. If you have a nice GM, see if he will let you combine them (thus giving you medium armor proficiency back)

While I agree with Dunebugg, When i looked up Hidden Priest on the SRD it didnt say anything about gaining heavy armor proficiency.


I think you're meaning Mendevian Priest?

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Oh, it seems to be a bug in Hero Lab. xD I place too much trust in that thing...!

But, thank you for clearing that up, for future reference. Hahah! I thought that it shouldn't matter, though? If you gain Heavy but lose its prerequisite, then you shouldn't be able to use Heavy UNTIL you get Medium, back via feat or whatever. You have the feat, but don't qualify for it, I guess is what I'm tryin' to say? It shouldn't become illegal to combine two archetypes interacting this way, whatever they may be.. I'd just be a lenient DM.

Oh well! :)


I take the most of this thread. ;-)
I want to play a cleric with a god who have Trickery as domain.
The problem is that in the campaign i play, the setting of the GM is that the officials NPC forbid this god.
If the officials discover i worship this god, i will be tortured before be killed.
The GM says it's possible i worship this god (that's in the setting), but how can i do to hide my faith in this god?
By RAW, you must be able to present your sacred symbole for spells and channel.
And domain Trickery is all except discreet.
And your aura is also not discreet.
In fact, if you take domain Trickery, everyone will know it...it's the height of ridicule!!!!

I will not be able to hide i am a cleric (for internal campaign reasons), so i thought to pretend i am a cleric of an another "accepted" god.
But it seems the archetype Hidden Cleric doesn't fit well with that...
Is it possible to use Hidden Priest to pretend you're worshipper of another god?


Birthmark Source Advanced Player's Guide pg. 1, Second Darkness Player's Guide pg. 12
You were born with a strange birthmark that looks very similar to the holy symbol of the god you chose to worship later in life. This birthmark can serve you as a divine focus for casting spells, and as a physical manifestation of your faith, it increases your devotion to your god—you gain a +2 trait bonus on all saving throws against charm and compulsion effects as a result.

That take care of the Holy symbol problem.

Evangelist / Hidden Priest.... Forget RAW. I would say this is hard role play. For a PC who is shouting to get more people in to faith X but hide the fact he is in faith X. It just seem head uphis own but backwards to pull off to me.


Defraeter wrote:

I take the most of this thread. ;-)

I want to play a cleric with a god who have Trickery as domain.
The problem is that in the campaign i play, the setting of the GM is that the officials NPC forbid this god.
If the officials discover i worship this god, i will be tortured before be killed.
The GM says it's possible i worship this god (that's in the setting), but how can i do to hide my faith in this god?
By RAW, you must be able to present your sacred symbole for spells and channel.
And domain Trickery is all except discreet.
And your aura is also not discreet.
In fact, if you take domain Trickery, everyone will know it...it's the height of ridicule!!!!

I will not be able to hide i am a cleric (for internal campaign reasons), so i thought to pretend i am a cleric of an another "accepted" god.
But it seems the archetype Hidden Cleric doesn't fit well with that...
Is it possible to use Hidden Priest to pretend you're worshipper of another god?

technically no, but i do not see how this stops you from just claiming you are a bard/wizard/alchemist. the archetype specifically allows you to disguise spellcasting, as long as you make the successful skill check. and technically only people with 1+ ranks in spellcraft would have any chance of noticing anyway, since it is trained only.

prd wrote:
However, the divine focus doesn’t need to be an obvious symbol of his faith. It could be a small coin, tattoo, or garment bearing the symbol, whether presented openly, disguised, or hidden within a larger picture. For example, a hidden priest of Sarenrae may use a coin with an ankh or sunburst, a complex tattoo or scar that has an ankh shape hidden within it, a glove with an ankh stitched on the inside of the palm, and so on.


Thanks you Tom S 820 and asthyril for your fast answers!!!!

Tom S 820 wrote:
Evangelist / Hidden Priest.... Forget RAW. I would say this is hard role play. For a PC who is shouting to get more people in to faith X but hide the fact he is in faith X. It just seem head uphis own but backwards to pull off to me.

Hard but cool to play!!! I must hide this fact to others players...too... and keep on to help the party.

I am not "against the others players", just we don't have the same vision. After some adventures, i think they will share my secret, but at the begining, this is too early, too much risky.

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