Die Hard unless you got a little bump (nonlethal)

[Lady Melo]

So I have a quick question about Diehard (core feat). Diehard allows you to stay up and acting (although staggered) while your dying, but nonlethal damage rules state if your nonlethal damage exceeds your current Hp you fall unconscious. So I am curious how these 2 interact.

Because by super RAW -1 is exceeded by nonlethal damage of 0 and thus diehard doesn't work, it would seem odd to even require 1 point of nonlethal to trigger this and then to have its effects immediately fail to work (especially because you might have nonlethal from some kind of beneficial effect that turned lethal damage in to nonlethal from an attack)

Assuming Diehard allows you to ignore the nonlethal rules then what if your just taking nonlethal damage does it all need to convert to lethal and kill you or is there a point you should become unconscious (nonlethal by RAW doesn't add passed your Max Hp so you can never have Max Hp + Death Hp worth of nonlethal)

[Derwalt]

That made my head hurt... What is your question again?

[Lady Melo]

Derwalt wrote:

That made my head hurt... What is your question again?

Unfortunately it's hard to boil down to one question, it's much more of a "How does Diehard and nonlethal damage interact?" the I was pointing out some of the issues with it

[asthyril]

i believe that using the feat there is no unconscious for you. you're either healed above 0 so you act normally, staggered, or dead. and any non-lethal damage you take should be converted to real damage, and you either continue to be staggered, or die.

or am i missing the question?

[mplindustries]

Diehard doesn't interact with nonlethal damage.

If you have any nonlethal damage, you fall unconscious from nonlethal when that nonlethal damage exceeds your current HP. Diehard does nothing to help.

Diehard says, "You may choose to act as if you were disabled, rather than dying." If you are not dying to begin with, it doesn't do anything.

[Gobo Horde]

Yup its one of those "wait wait what???" kind of feats. Considering that any character can take a -4 to attack to deal nonleathal, a rules savy and mean gm can effectively nuder it completely.

By RAW, unconscious is not one of the conditions that diehard allows you to ignore. Sad face.

[Dreihaddar]

"It wasn't being eviscerated by his greatsword that did me in, but his flailing fist of fury"

Made me laugh, tagged for FAQ!