Would casting a umbral endure elements be worth keeping on your rogue at level 5 as a wizard or lvl 3 with magical lineage?
May I ask why? Having darkness follow you around is not exactly inconspicuous.
Also consider that this causes pretty much everyone adjacent to the rogue to have concealment for dim-light at least and therefor can't be sneak attacked. So your rogue might not be that happy about it.
May I ask why? Having darkness follow you around is not exactly inconspicuous.
Also consider that this causes pretty much everyone adjacent to the rogue to have concealment for dim-light at least and therefor can't be sneak attacked. So your rogue might not be that happy about it.
What if rogue in question has darkvision?
i don't see why not, as long as you're not in social situations it would help the rogue sneak. the problem is that you will probably be giving your target and anyone nearby 20% concealment vs any of your allies without darkvision, and technically enemies could use your own darkness to stealth. rogue with lesser cloak of displacement works better but this would do until he could afford one.
for the wizard (if he had darkvision) i would think it would be awesome.
although a wizard with magical lineage would have to be 5th level since it's a +2 spell level metamagic feat. the funny thing would be casting an umbral endure elements on an enemy rogue, then laugh at him :)
i don't see why not, as long as you're not in social situations it would help the rogue sneak. the problem is that you will probably be giving your target and anyone nearby 20% concealment vs any of your allies without darkvision, and technically enemies could use your own darkness to stealth. rogue with lesser cloak of displacement works better but this would do until he could afford one.
for the wizard (if he had darkvision) i would think it would be awesome.
although a wizard with magical lineage would have to be 5th level since it's a +2 spell level metamagic feat. the funny thing would be casting an umbral endure elements on an enemy rogue, then laugh at him :)
The way to get around social situations is to also keep a continual flame spell on an item around that can easily be placed in a pocket.
Seems like a neat trick. A sorcerer with the Umbral bloodline would also benefit, along with the Tenebrous Spell metamagic.
What if rogue in question has darkvision?May I ask why? Having darkness follow you around is not exactly inconspicuous.
Also consider that this causes pretty much everyone adjacent to the rogue to have concealment for dim-light at least and therefor can't be sneak attacked. So your rogue might not be that happy about it.
According to the spell:
"...Creatures with darkvision can see in an area of dim light or darkness without penalty..."
Bear in mind, the spell now lowers the level of light in an area by one step only. The days of having a hemisphere of complete darkness with this spell are gone. (Note: This spell does not stack with itself)
Bright Light --> Normal Light
Normal Light --> Dim Light
etc etc
May I ask why? Having darkness follow you around is not exactly inconspicuous.
Also consider that this causes pretty much everyone adjacent to the rogue to have concealment for dim-light at least and therefor can't be sneak attacked. So your rogue might not be that happy about it.
Forgot to mention, if the rogue has Shadow Strike feat, he will be able to get sneak attack damage off and still gain the benefits of concealment. This is just how rogues roll....
Forgot to mention, if the rogue has Shadow Strike feat, he will be able to get sneak attack damage off and still gain the benefits of concealment. This is just how rogues roll....May I ask why? Having darkness follow you around is not exactly inconspicuous.
Also consider that this causes pretty much everyone adjacent to the rogue to have concealment for dim-light at least and therefor can't be sneak attacked. So your rogue might not be that happy about it.
This might actually make a combat rogue (with darkvision, of course) viable from level 1 even without a flank partner.
Interesting...
This might actually make a combat rogue (with darkvision, of course) viable from level 1 even without a flank partner.
Interesting...
but so does blur, and then the rogue doesn't require darkvision, for one less level of spell (although much less duration)
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for the wizard (if he had darkvision) i would think it would be awesome.
although a wizard with magical lineage would have to be 5th level since it's a +2 spell level metamagic feat. the funny thing would be casting an umbral endure elements on an enemy rogue, then laugh at him :)
I am building a tiefling evoker with shadow grasp. He starts with darkvision and will eventually acquire see in darkness (fiend sight x2).
Seeing as umbral is a prereq, I'll try to abuse that occasionally as well.
actually i just had a thought.
it is usually very difficult to make a ranged rogue, because it is so hard to get opponents flat footed after the first round of combat.
however, if this wizard who cast this on himself each morning had a companion who was a ranged rogue (also with darkvision, or maybe the wizard casts a darkvision buff on him) the shadowy wizard would supply the concealment necessary for the rogue to shoot from stealth then move to ANOTHER SQUARE within the darkness (bypassing the -20 to stealth checks for remaining in the same spot) in order to get sneak attack every round.
i know you could just cast a copy of the one on yourself on the rogue, but i think this would bypass people's ability to target the rogue's square by targeting the center of that 'moving mass of darkness', although the rogue and wizard would have to time movements together, and would be always near enough for enemy AOE spells t get them both, i think it's a neat concept.
but so does blur, and then the rogue doesn't require darkvision, for one less level of spell (although much less duration)This might actually make a combat rogue (with darkvision, of course) viable from level 1 even without a flank partner.
Interesting...
And that is the convienence of having a permanent level one spell that can be turned on and off at will via a continual flame spell. It allows a rogue to not rely on a caster all the time!
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Use an umbral arcane mark you just need to cast it once, until it gets dispel. It is also only 100 gps.
Place it on a burned out ioun stone. As a 3rd level spell it can be tenebrous, umbral and have shadow grasp. Your wizard now radiates 10' darkness that entangles everything except himself. When you don't need it, put the stone in a bag.
Later on, you can replace it with a heightened version that will override even daylight.
i'm so glad paizo fixed the metamagic system :-)
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Even better don't get those feats and pay for it to be cast. 5 x 3 x 10 so 150 gps.Use an umbral arcane mark you just need to cast it once, until it gets dispel. It is also only 100 gps.Place it on a burned out ioun stone. As a 3rd level spell it can be tenebrous, umbral and have shadow grasp. Your wizard now radiates 10' darkness that entangles everything except himself. When you don't need it, put the stone in a bag.
If it is a non-pfs game, I would rule that casters with that particular set of metamagic feats are extremely rare. As they should be.
If it is pfs, you have to recast at the start of each session.
Personally, I'm building a tiefling shadowmancer. It is a concept character and will be sacrificing a lot to be able to play with darkness. I won't actually need to abuse arcane mark to get results, but what the heck, I'll have the option.
The real fun will be abusing deeper darkness and fiend sight.
Personally, I'm building a tiefling shadowmancer. It is a concept character and will be sacrificing a lot to be able to play with darkness. I won't actually need to abuse arcane mark to get results, but what the heck, I'll have the option.
The real fun will be abusing deeper darkness and fiend sight.
shadowmancer? something you using to describe the theme of the character or did you mean shadowcaster?
ah, i am doing something similar with a tiefling cleric of zon-kuthon with the darkness and death domains. but can't normally cast arcane mark and deeper darkness without multiclassing or something.
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ah, i am doing something similar with a tiefling cleric of zon-kuthon with the darkness and death domains. but can't normally cast arcane mark and deeper darkness without multiclassing or something.Just pay for it, if you are a cleric of Zon-Kuthon one of your fellow wizard within your church will likely have arcane mark and the umbral + Shadow Grasp metamagic. 150 gps and you will have it permanently.
it's PFS, can't do that :)
ah, i am doing something similar with a tiefling cleric of zon-kuthon with the darkness and death domains. but can't normally cast arcane mark and deeper darkness without multiclassing or something.
there is a trait for that!
and the darkness domain provide the deeper darkness
well just being a cleric got me deeper darkness. and my plans don't need shadow, i plan on channeling negative energy at level 8 for 12d6 damage while simultaneously healing myself for the same amount :). the teifling seeing in darkness thing is just neat (and helps me stealth with the darkness-night subdomain with darkness around me)