Natural Weapons & Standard Actions


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Okay, I was discussing this with a friend last saturday, and he asked me to post clarify this on this forum.

My question is, can a creature with 2 identical natural attacks (in this case, a Catfolk with 2 claws) use both of them as a standard action? And does she have to roll each attack separately os is it one single roll that counts for both attacks?

In my understanding she can't, but on a full attack he gets to have two extra attacks (at -5, or -2 if she has Multi-attack) independently of her BAB, and yes, she must roll each Claw attack separately.

Otherwise, wildshaped druids would get pretty silly.

Also, when does a creature adds 1,5x Str modifier to an attack made with a natural weapon, when it only has one natural weapon, or when it only uses one natural weapon?

e.g.: Could a tiger choose to use only its Bite attack (instead of also using its claws) in order to add 1,5x Str modifier to said Bite?

Scarab Sages

No. A creature with multiple natural attacks chooses one to attack with as a standard action.

Multiple Attacks:
Multiple Attacks: A character who can make more than one attack per round must use the full-attack action (see Full-Round Actions) in order to get more than one attack.

Natural Attacks:
Natural Attacks Most creatures possess one or more natural attacks (attacks made without a weapon). These attacks fall into one of two categories, primary and secondary attacks. Primary attacks are made using the creature's full base attack bonus and add the creature's full Strength bonus on damage rolls. Secondary attacks are made using the creature's base attack bonus –5 and add only 1/2 the creature's Strength bonus on damage rolls. If a creature has only one natural attack, it is always made using the creature's full base attack bonus and adds 1-1/2 times the creature's Strength bonus on damage rolls. This increase does not apply if the creature has multiple attacks but only takes one. If a creature has only one type of attack, but has multiple attacks per round, that attack is treated as a primary attack, regardless of its type. The natural attacks by size table lists some of the most common types of natural attacks and their classifications.

Some creatures treat one or more of their attacks differently, such as dragons, which always receive 1-1/2 times their Strength bonus on damage rolls with their bite attack. These exceptions are noted in the creature's description.

Creatures with natural attacks and attacks made with weapons can use both as part of a full attack action (although often a creature must forgo one natural attack for each weapon clutched in that limb, be it a claw, tentacle, or slam). Such creatures attack with their weapons normally but treat all of their available natural attacks as secondary attacks during that attack, regardless of the attack's original type.

Some creatures do not have natural attacks. These creatures can make unarmed strikes just like humans do. See the natural attacks by size table for typical damage values for natural attacks by creature size.

Natural Attacks: Attacks made with natural weapons, such as claws and bites, are melee attacks that can be made against any creature within your reach (usually 5 feet). These attacks are made using your full attack bonus and deal an amount of damage that depends on their type (plus your Strength modifier, as normal). You do not receive additional natural attacks for a high base attack bonus. Instead, you receive additional attack rolls for multiple limb and body parts capable of making the attack (as noted by the race or ability that grants the attacks). If you possess only one natural attack (such as a bite—two claw attacks do not qualify), you add 1–1/2 times your Strength bonus on damage rolls made with that attack.

Some natural attacks are denoted as secondary natural attacks, such as tails and wings. Attacks with secondary natural attacks are made using your base attack bonus minus 5. These attacks deal an amount of damage depending on their type, but you only add half your Strength modifier on damage rolls.

You can make attacks with natural weapons in combination with attacks made with a melee weapon and unarmed strikes, so long as a different limb is used for each attack. For example, you cannot make a claw attack and also use that hand to make attacks with a longsword. When you make additional attacks in this way, all of your natural attacks are treated as secondary natural attacks, using your base attack bonus minus 5 and adding only 1/2 of your Strength modifier on damage rolls. Feats such as Two-Weapon Fighting and Multiattack can reduce these penalties.


Thanks for clarifying, Ssalarn.

I shall now send message to my friend telling him that I was right. It shall be accompanied by an appropriate amount of boasting.

Scarab Sages

Lemmy wrote:

Thanks for clarifying, Ssalarn.

I shall now send message to my friend telling him that I was right. It shall be accompanied by an appropriate amount of boasting.

If you find that you've hit the "Nyah nyah na nah nah" phase, remember that this is a clear sign you've passed the "appropriate" amount of boasting. Ride it out as long as you can until then though :)

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