Say I outfit a character with the sort of inexpensive weapons and armor 150 gp buys you, then play a scenario and "retrain" the character into the exact same character with one slight exception: the "retrained" character never bought the starting weapons and armor. I have effectively sold the gear back at cost, and now have a slight edge for buying the replacement gear. Does this work?
It seems to me that the new retraining rules have changed the first level metagame, since you no longer have to worry about the resale value of your starting gear (i.e. picking cheap weapons to minimize losses when you sell them back after you've bought better ones), you can simply change them out.
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It's cheesy, as you've pointed out in the title. But honestly it only gets you, at absolute most, 450 gp. (Up to 150 GP, changing 3 times) That's not game breaking. People stand to make more than that in a few sessions with Day Job rolls.
As Mike pointed out when he pitched the idea, the retraining is subject to some cheese and abuse by metagamers such as this you're pitching, but he felt it was overall better for new players and the community to implement this.
Venture-Captain, California—San Francisco Bay Area South & West
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I noticed, in passing, that starting off a character with GM credit let me do that - I didn't need to buy leather armour (or something) and a cheap sword until I could afford that chain shirt (and the MW rapier) for my magus.
Realistically, I doubt if it's going to make up for the cost of a single 'cure light wounds' potion, which is well within expected table variance.
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Personally, if players are attempting to cheese with 150gp, I think they might have bigger problems :) Oh noes, I swapped out my 4gp weapon for a 8gp weapon! TWINK!
Nani's got it right on. If you've somehow found a way to "break" the system with 150 gold, then there's something wrong with the system. Chances are, the 150 gold will buy you a potion of healing or three and frankly, more power to you.
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Personally, if players are attempting to cheese with 150gp, I think they might have bigger problems :) Oh noes, I swapped out my 4gp weapon for a 8gp weapon! TWINK!
Have decided that, based on attitude alone, Nani's among my favorite VOs. :-)
At any rate, by 3rd level or so, the "extra" gold you'd "have" by doing this would effectively be rounding error. You'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who could reasonably consider it to be game-breaking in any real way. If this is cheese, it's extra-mild Velveeta.
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Personally, if players are attempting to cheese with 150gp, I think they might have bigger problems :) Oh noes, I swapped out my 4gp weapon for a 8gp weapon! TWINK!Have decided that, based on attitude alone, Nani's among my favorite VOs. :-)
At any rate, by 3rd level or so, the "extra" gold you'd "have" by doing this would effectively be rounding error. You'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who could reasonably consider it to be game-breaking in any real way. If this is cheese, it's extra-mild Velveeta.
Aye verily! Or mayhaps yon cheese didst come from a can! Cheeze wiz at best. Neither is a real cheese product.
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Aww! I have decided that, based on your comment, I am highly susceptible to flattery and bribery!
I mostly just decide to pick my battles. I'd rather be doing cool stuff as a VO than worrying about mundane Equiptment. Like talking about why your character is awesome, and where they come from, and what they would do when presented with incredibly bizarre NPCs.
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Careful Mike - she's married (and so were you last time I checked) :P
Nah, that was just the aforementioned flattery (wasn't sure what would work for bribery). Besides, Kyle's a VC, as well, so he'd probably kill my characters, then kill me. :-D
Fortunately, much like Mr. Pratt, I had the wisdom to marry a gamer girl.
So, you're telling me if Kyle ever dies, I should look for dates on the PFS forums???
I can see it now: the "PFS Matchmaking" subforum. Could be very...interesting...
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Personally, if players are attempting to cheese with 150gp, I think they might have bigger problems :) Oh noes, I swapped out my 4gp weapon for a 8gp weapon! TWINK!
I have only two of my own characters, but I've helped plenty of newbies get started.
Armor? check
Weapon? check
Backpack? check
Rope? check
Other random mundane item? check
hmmm... what else do I spend this 78 gold on...? Oh right torches!
hmmm... what else do I spend this 77.98 gold...? a fish hook!
I dinnae think I've seen a character start with less than a dozen gold because they did not have something to spend it.
