
GentleGiant |

Megadeth frontman Dave Mustaine seems to have gone full psycho conspiracy nuts, claiming that Obama is behind the recent shootings in the U.S., in order to pass a ban on guns.
I know lots of people are Megadeth fans around here. I've just lost all respect for the man, though. The anti-LGBT comments he has made before, born of his born-again Christianity, were bad enough, but this is just utterly insane.

GentleGiant |

Not saying I agree with the theory, which did not originate with Mustaine by the way.
But for the sake of balance, what is you opinion of the 'Bush was behind 9-11 theory'?
Didn't say it originated with him, but he's still claiming it. :-)
I don't think Bush was behind 9/11. I'm not sure we still know everything that happened that day, but that's not as much a conspiracy theory as it's acknowledging that certain pieces of information can be hard to obtain. Do I think the Bush administration bears some of the blame for 9/11, even if only indirectly? Yes.
But the whole premise behind the attack can be attributed to several decades of U.S. foreign policy.
Anyway, that's getting way off the subject. :-)

bugleyman |

Megadeth frontman Dave Mustaine seems to have gone full psycho conspiracy nuts, claiming that Obama is behind the recent shootings in the U.S., in order to pass a ban on guns.
I know lots of people are Megadeth fans around here. I've just lost all respect for the man, though. The anti-LGBT comments he has made before, born of his born-again Christianity, were bad enough, but this is just utterly insane.
Wow, nutcase.

meatrace |

But for the sake of balance, what is you opinion of the 'Bush was behind 9-11 theory'?
At the risk of sounding like a lunatic and derailing a thread (LOLZ) here's my 2cp:
There are still a lot of things that just don't add up about what happened that morning, and considering some pretty disturbing things that have come to light re: individuals starting or maintaining wars for political gain, I won't entirely rule it out. But then I don't rule out the existence of god and I think people 'round these parts know my stance on THAT.
In any case, I don't think Bush himself planned it.

BigNorseWolf |

individuals starting or maintaining wars for political gain
Kissinger wanted to do what we did in iraq war II. There's a difference between starting a crisis and just taking advantage of one because enough Americans can't, as the song says, tell you the difference between iraq, iran, and afghanistan.

meatrace |

I was talking about Nixon interfering with the Paris peace talks between North and South Vietnam to prolong the war and use participation in that war as a weapon to win the presidency in 1968.
He made clandestine deals with a foreign power that cost American lives, prolonging an unpopular war, in order to gain political power.
There's evidence that the CIA did the same on Reagan's behalf in regards to the hostage crisis, but it is far less concrete. In any case, LBJ is on white house recordings admitting that it was treason, and reportedly didn't go to the press with the story because he thought that the knowledge would shake the American peoples' faith in democracy.

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I was talking about Nixon interfering with the Paris peace talks between North and South Vietnam to prolong the war and use participation in that war as a weapon to win the presidency in 1968.
He made clandestine deals with a foreign power that cost American lives, prolonging an unpopular war, in order to gain political power.
There's evidence that the CIA did the same on Reagan's behalf in regards to the hostage crisis, but it is far less concrete. In any case, LBJ is on white house recordings admitting that it was treason, and reportedly didn't go to the press with the story because he thought that the knowledge would shake the American peoples' faith in democracy.
And the head of the GOP (or at least the GOP in congress, I can't recall if there was a difference at the time) agreed with LBJ. No seems about it. Nixon committed treason to win the election. The evidence about Reagan's campaign director doing the same thing with Iran is circumstantial, but compelling.

meatrace |

A) Rock stars are supposed to say stupid stuff. That's what they're paid for.
B) I find it hard to believe that Singapore has loose gun control laws. But I could be wrong.
I don't know about their domestic policies, but I gather it's very easy to get mail order guns from there.

Samnell |

I was talking about Nixon interfering with the Paris peace talks between North and South Vietnam to prolong the war and use participation in that war as a weapon to win the presidency in 1968.
He made clandestine deals with a foreign power that cost American lives, prolonging an unpopular war, in order to gain political power.
Nixon outright admitted that he extended the war in '72 as one of the numerous dirty tricks he did to go from having a very difficult battle to a second term to sweeping the thing. (Other tricks included telling the press that the Democrats were having a big event and having them all show up and find no one, or a few guys desperately scrambling, and then go home and write stories about how the Democrats were in disarray. And, of course, Watergate.) The admission came when he complained about Bush I not doing the same in '92.

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A) Rock stars are supposed to say stupid stuff. That's what they're paid for.
B) I find it hard to believe that Singapore has loose gun control laws. But I could be wrong.
They have gun control laws in Singapore. However, there is mandatory military service so pretty much every male citizen gets training in firearms, and gets called up annually to renew their training. The singaporean guy I worked with told me that he had an assigned rifle in storage for him at the army that he uses whenever he does his training.

Ambrosia Slaad |
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{consults the Oracle of Mustaine for further hidden sekrets and konspiracies}

Doodlebug Anklebiter |

{consults the Oracle of Mustaine for further hidden sekrets and konspiracies}
Ohmygod! My cat does something very similar. When you scratch him right above his tail he makes crazy f@~@ing sounds and starts licking whatever is in front of him. If there's nothing there, he starts rubbing his teeth against his forepaws. He is a f@%!ing freak.
Also, I'm disappointed in you metalheads. Not one link yet? I don't even like Megadeth!

A Man In Black RPG Superstar 2010 Top 32 |
Funny how not a peep here when its a liberal nut......
You found us out. We've desperately fighting to keep hidden the fact that there are absolutely nutty people of all political stripes. Your prize for discovering this long-hidden secret is a guaranteed place in the Illuminati ruling council of the UN NWO, congratulations!

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Andrew R wrote:Funny how not a peep here when its a liberal nut......You found us out. We've desperately fighting to keep hidden the fact that there are absolutely nutty people of all political stripes. Your prize for discovering this long-hidden secret is a guaranteed place in the Illuminati ruling council of the UN NWO, congratulations!
And yet the whining and gnashing of teeth only happens when it is not one of your own nut cases.....hypocritical at the least, humorously dishonest or intentionally blind to any bit a self created reality.

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Dave's a mental case, and has been since the start. There's basically no point to taking anything he says seriously, in my opinion. He's been all over the place politically (so folks on the conservative side were right to discount his political statements 20 years ago, just as folks on the left are right to dismiss them now).
Dude is an ass, and has always been so. He's clearly let religion and Alex Jones radio conspiracy theory replace smack in his addiction Mad Lib.
My response, as a lifelong Rattlehead: So What. Not News.
Guy can shred, though, which is all that really matters to me.

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And yet the whining and gnashing of teeth only happens when it is not one of your own nut cases.....hypocritical at the least, humorously dishonest or intentionally blind to any bit a self created reality.
It only happens by liberals when it's not one of theirs. Just as it only happens by conservatives when it's not one of theirs. Sorry, but there's not a political ideology on Earth that has a monopoly on hypocrasy, confirmation bias, and plain ass-hattery.

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Dave's a mental case, and has been since the start. There's basically no point to taking anything he says seriously, in my opinion. He's been all over the place politically (so folks on the conservative side were right to discount his political statements 20 years ago, just as folks on the left are right to dismiss them now).
Dude is an ass, and has always been so. He's clearly let religion and Alex Jones radio conspiracy theory replace smack in his addiction Mad Lib.
My response, as a lifelong Rattlehead: So What. Not News.
Guy can shred, though, which is all that really matters to me.
Yep, i ignore that celebrities have opinions, if they are good at what they do i enjoy that without regard to politics, religion, etc

thejeff |
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Erik Mona wrote:Yep, i ignore that celebrities have opinions, if they are good at what they do i enjoy that without regard to politics, religion, etcDave's a mental case, and has been since the start. There's basically no point to taking anything he says seriously, in my opinion. He's been all over the place politically (so folks on the conservative side were right to discount his political statements 20 years ago, just as folks on the left are right to dismiss them now).
Dude is an ass, and has always been so. He's clearly let religion and Alex Jones radio conspiracy theory replace smack in his addiction Mad Lib.
My response, as a lifelong Rattlehead: So What. Not News.
Guy can shred, though, which is all that really matters to me.
On the other hand, celebrities influence people and spend money on their causes.
I try not to support the more political ones that I disagree with.
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I've had the chance to meet Dave Mustaine. He does appreciate his fans and will stand up for them. One of the vendors started jacking up the price on merchandise and Dave had a fit about it. That was cool. Afterward though...he was still very much a douche. Never talked to the fans he was doing autographs for. The rest of the band was cool, though.
Say what you will about Metallica and Megadeth, Metallica hasn't "dated" themselves. Songs on the last couple of Megadeth albums have been lyrically dated.

Aretas |

Megadeth frontman Dave Mustaine seems to have gone full psycho conspiracy nuts, claiming that Obama is behind the recent shootings in the U.S., in order to pass a ban on guns.
I know lots of people are Megadeth fans around here. I've just lost all respect for the man, though. The anti-LGBT comments he has made before, born of his born-again Christianity, were bad enough, but this is just utterly insane.
"Whaddya mean I hurt your feelings....I didn't know you had any feelings"
I imagine this is what Dave Mustaine would say in response to this thread. Then slap dissenters with similiar album lyric one liners.

Shadowborn |

Shadowborn wrote:I think you might have just proven my pointAndrew R wrote:Funny how not a peep here when its a liberal nut......Name one.
I wasn't trying to make your point, I was making a request. Name someone who spouts crazy liberal views that just make people go "Oh, god, what a nutcase."

thejeff |
Preferably someone of a comparable profile to this guy. Not some random post on website no one's heard of.
Of course, this gets into silly. With 300+ million people in this country, you can find crazies of any stripe. I sure some of them are high profile and liberal. You'd actually have to break into statistical analysis to show anything.

Shadowborn |

Kanye West?
Doesn't count, (at least for me) because I don't pay attention to anything he says or does. I couldn't have told you what his political views were if you'd asked.
I agree with those who spout crazy liberal views, but in order of influence: Michael Moore, Bill Maher, Penn Jillete. Now you owe me three times the prize! :P
Michael Moore isn't crazy, he's just misleading (and surrounded by an army of lawyers, so I hope he doesn't read what I said and sue me). Bill Maher doesn't say anything crazy; he's just an a!@+%##. Penn Gillette isn't a liberal; he's a libertarian. There's a difference. (And I already knew he was crazy. The guy named his daughter Moxie Crimefighter Gillette, for crying out loud.)
When Bill Maher says something that sounds kooky, it's probably done in an effort to be funny. Sometimes he succeeds. What Mustaine did was accuse someone of murder, without proof. That's just crazy.

Hitdice |

Talonhawke wrote:Kanye West?Doesn't count, (at least for me) because I don't pay attention to anything he says or does. I couldn't have told you what his political views were if you'd asked.
Hitdice wrote:I agree with those who spout crazy liberal views, but in order of influence: Michael Moore, Bill Maher, Penn Jillete. Now you owe me three times the prize! :PMichael Moore isn't crazy, he's just misleading (and surrounded by an army of lawyers, so I hope he doesn't read what I said and sue me). Bill Maher doesn't say anything crazy; he's just an a*+&@$$. Penn Gillette isn't a liberal; he's a libertarian. There's a difference.
When Bill Maher says something that sounds kooky, it's probably done in an effort to be funny. Sometimes he succeeds. What Mustaine did was accuse someone of murder, without proof. That's just crazy.
I won't argue with you on your judgement of their political views and/or sanity. I would, however, point out that many of my less informed brothers and sisters have looked at statements by these four people and said, "Oh, God, what a nutcase!"
I guess my point is, once you get to that level of nut-bag, political affiliation is the least of your worries.

Shadowborn |

I won't argue with you on your judgement of their political views and/or sanity. I would, however, point out that many of my less informed brothers and sisters have looked at statements by these four people and said, "Oh, God, what a nutcase!"
I guess my point is, once you get to that level of nut-bag, political affiliation is the least of your worries.
Fair enough. I'd still like to see Andrew R provide me with an example he thinks meets the same level of batpoop crazy as Mustaine's ramblings though.

GentleGiant |

GentleGiant wrote:Megadeth frontman Dave Mustaine seems to have gone full psycho conspiracy nuts, claiming that Obama is behind the recent shootings in the U.S., in order to pass a ban on guns.
I know lots of people are Megadeth fans around here. I've just lost all respect for the man, though. The anti-LGBT comments he has made before, born of his born-again Christianity, were bad enough, but this is just utterly insane."Whaddya mean I hurt your feelings....I didn't know you had any feelings"
I imagine this is what Dave Mustaine would say in response to this thread. Then slap dissenters with similiar album lyric one liners.
I'm kind of waiting for a point in what you just wrote here...

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Hitdice wrote:Fair enough. I'd still like to see Andrew R provide me with an example he thinks meets the same level of batpoop crazy as Mustaine's ramblings though.
I won't argue with you on your judgement of their political views and/or sanity. I would, however, point out that many of my less informed brothers and sisters have looked at statements by these four people and said, "Oh, God, what a nutcase!"
I guess my point is, once you get to that level of nut-bag, political affiliation is the least of your worries.
What more can you ask for, Hit dice just gave you some and you just basically agree that they are right. You prove my point, you agree with your crazy so they are OK.

Shadowborn |

Shadowborn wrote:What more can you ask for, Hit dice just gave you some and you just basically agree that they are right. You prove my point, you agree with your crazy so they are OK.Hitdice wrote:Fair enough. I'd still like to see Andrew R provide me with an example he thinks meets the same level of batpoop crazy as Mustaine's ramblings though.
I won't argue with you on your judgement of their political views and/or sanity. I would, however, point out that many of my less informed brothers and sisters have looked at statements by these four people and said, "Oh, God, what a nutcase!"
I guess my point is, once you get to that level of nut-bag, political affiliation is the least of your worries.
Um, I don't remember espousing agreement. I basically called one guy a liar, another an a$@~@&~, and said the third was crazy. I'd still like to hear something that one of these guys said that matches accusing the President of the United States of masterminding spree shootings in order to further an agenda of gun control laws.