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Baining - a Culture who frown on Sex and Playtime
It is interesting - They have an adoption rate of 36%. I'm yet to learn if they work for the benefit of others, the larger collective, or just for personal gain. The answer to that would be interesting.
They don't have religion - because religion is ultimately a 'playtime' behavior whose foundation and waste of time would be discouraged and better used in food production and beneficial work.
Initial researchers saw them as dull - because they saw in them an objection to everything they value. Are we all Degenerate outcasts of the Bening?
Wow. They're really a role model for us all.
I salute their work ethic.
That is exactly what is worst with humans - tendency of making a culture source of self-perpetuating misery with individuals being cogs in the machine of making following generations shame-ridden oppressors.
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That is exactly what is worst with humans - tendency of making a culture source of self-perpetuating misery with individuals being cogs in the machine of making following generations shame-ridden oppressors.
let me guess...You didn't want to spend your life digging ditches in the garden when others can do it for you.
That is exactly what is worst with humans - tendency of making a culture source of self-perpetuating misery with individuals being cogs in the machine of making following generations shame-ridden oppressors.
Agreed.
The last thing this planet really needs is more of this sort of Taliban behaviour.
That is exactly what is worst with humans - tendency of making a culture source of self-perpetuating misery with individuals being cogs in the machine of making following generations shame-ridden oppressors.let me guess...You didn't want to spend your life digging ditches in the garden when others can do it for you.
Baseless "conclusion" if that can be called conclusion at all from your side about my stance.
What is wrong with them is making a circle of abuse when one generation deprives another generation of joy of life and learns them to be ahamed of themselves and shaping them to be abusive towards another generation and maintain the circle of abuse.
Their work ethic is awful (from what I can judge basing on this short article) because they praise toil instead of joyful work.
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That is exactly what is worst with humans - tendency of making a culture source of self-perpetuating misery with individuals being cogs in the machine of making following generations shame-ridden oppressors.Agreed.
The last thing this planet really needs is more of this sort of Taliban behaviour.
Ironic you suggest they have a Taliban like culture - their pro-work/anti-play culture has developed as a consequence of their culture coming under attack and their lands stolen by the catholic church and another tribe...as a consequence they have begun attacking laziness and lack of productive behavior in their own culture...so this is an evolutionary response in their culture to being inadequately strong enough to stand against rival cultural positions that are undermining their own.
- their pro-work/anti-play culture has developed as a consequence of their culture coming under attack and their lands stolen by the catholic church and another tribe...as a consequence they have begun attacking laziness and lack of productive behavior in their own culture...
Actually they have 'modelled' quite wonderfully a Fundamentalist 'ideal' of Catholicism in that they have mastered guilt and shame.
If you suggest that adopting the worst moral excesses of an oppressive regieme and the adoption of psychological fascism for the persecution of thought-crime is 'evolutionary' then may I suggest they need a 'revolution' asap.
-Banning sex does seriously harm reproduction. Actually ends it. See Shakers, and the Ephreta Cloister
-Banning playtime is called Korean childhood. Seriously, they do. It causes insane, neurotic adults with massive suidicde rates and a birth-rate bordering on net gain of zero.
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That culture is the literal opposite of my existence.
I'm convinced work was invented by us to punish ourselves for something.
I much prefer the Piraha tribe in South America.
They're an inherently nihilistic tribe. They required no outside influence to be nihilists, we found them that way.
They have no care of past or future, only the present. They work only when necessary.
Some Christian missionary actually wrote a book on them because they deconverted him from Christianity. He spent so long with them trying to convert them, but in the end THEY fixed him.
But ARE they miserable?
On those occasions when Fajans did get an adult to talk about his or her childhood, the narrative was typically about the challenge of embracing work and overcoming the shameful desire to play. Part of the reason the Baining are reluctant to talk about themselves, apparently, derives from their strong sense of shame about their natural drives and desires.
If their life is driven by sense of shame then it is miserable.
The article leaves a lot of things unsaid. Are the families more stable? Are they less prone to neglect or abuse their children?
Beyond infancy, children are encouraged or coerced to spend their days working and are often punished—sometimes by such harsh means as shoving the child’s hand into the fire—for playing.
Perhaps such a society would seem miserable to us who have grown up in a culture of material wealth and self indulgence.
*cough* Maybe you. I do very vaguely remember Wojciech Jaruzelski late night speeches about the need of nation uniting in face of endangering forces (i.e. peoples desire for freedom and individuality instead of oppression and conformism). I do clearly remember food stamps and rationing of many basic goods. I admit that I do not remember tanks on streets and soldiers - but according to grandmother I called rifles "papaye"... Without the joys of childhood and play it would be much much worse.
But you're looking at it from the outside and a BLOG post for creep's sakes. You have absolutely no idea of the experience of what it is to grow up in a culture that's effectively as alien to you (and me) as that of an E.T.
Abusive childhood leads to psychological problems in the future regardless of culture - it is matter of neurological development, shared not only by humans but by mammals in general due to the way the brain develops in early part of life. All humans share neurological traits that make us much closer and much more similar to each other than ET and while culture and society shapes our neurological development to a major degree some traits are common amongst each other.
It is true that our understanding of human psychology can allow us to determine if an abnormal human culture is detrimental to the mental health of those people regardless of our experiences living within that culture or not.
There are ways to show that some cultures are inferior if you consider the ability to create high-functioning adults as a standard for a good culture.
Sure, these guys may not mind their culture, but their culture appears to have no imagination.
This culture likely will never produce a scientist.
If your culture is not outputting science, it's pretty much worthless to the species.
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Sometimes I wonder if Paizo posters are pretty much worthless to the species.
Sometimes I wonder if Paizo posters are pretty much worthless to the species.
That depends...
Sometimes I wonder if Paizo posters are pretty much worthless to the species.That depends...
...Who exactly is posting.
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Sometimes I wonder if Paizo posters are pretty much worthless to the species.
Sometimes? Well, I can say I appreciate your good faith ;)
I don't think anything about being a Paizo poster specifically would make any of us worthless, but I am sure there are people on the forums that do little to nothing to further the human species.
Even my contribution to the species is negligible. I give money to scientific organizations/charities and do what I can to give people basic educations in misunderstood topics such as astrophysics and biology (of which my knowledge is not fantastic, but enough to answer basic questions).
But it's about trying, you know? Creating those positive feedback loops. If you make me happy, I'll probably make you happy, our happiness will spread to others, their happiness will feed into our happiness.
It's sort of like karma, but backed up by actual psychology.
If a positive feedback loop that you started eventually finds its way to some guy who, in his good mood, comes up with a good scientific hypothesis or new technology, then you helped a little bit.
It's just about doing what you can.
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...Who exactly is posting.Sometimes I wonder if Paizo posters are pretty much worthless to the species.That depends...
Well, I know that you have on three separate occasions set the race back decades, Dicey, but that's a different species.
Sometimes I wonder if Paizo posters are pretty much worthless to the species.Sometimes? Well, I can say I appreciate your good faith ;)
Hope springs eternal.
Until we all die.
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I don't think anything about being a Paizo poster specifically would make any of us worthless, but I am sure there are people on the forums that do little to nothing to further the human species.
Even my contribution to the species is negligible. I give money to scientific organizations/charities and do what I can to give people basic educations in misunderstood topics such as astrophysics and biology (of which my knowledge is not fantastic, but enough to answer basic questions).
But it's about trying, you know? Creating those positive feedback loops. If you make me happy, I'll probably make you happy, our happiness will spread to others, their happiness will feed into our happiness.
It's sort of like karma, but backed up by actual psychology.
If a positive feedback loop that you started eventually finds its way to some guy who, in his good mood, comes up with a good scientific hypothesis or new technology, then you helped a little bit.
It's just about doing what you can.
Well, without the construction worker, the scientist won't have a roof.
Without the farmer he won't have food.Without a surgeon (often considered mere craftsmen by other medical doctors), he may well die before his time.
Art can be a source of mental refreshment, appreciated by quite a few scientists.
Those worthy human who further science need those humans who are worthless to the species to do so.
Society isn't as simple as scientists = worthy / all others = worthless.
I don't think anything about being a Paizo poster specifically would make any of us worthless, but I am sure there are people on the forums that do little to nothing to further the human species.
Even my contribution to the species is negligible. I give money to scientific organizations/charities and do what I can to give people basic educations in misunderstood topics such as astrophysics and biology (of which my knowledge is not fantastic, but enough to answer basic questions).
But it's about trying, you know? Creating those positive feedback loops. If you make me happy, I'll probably make you happy, our happiness will spread to others, their happiness will feed into our happiness.
It's sort of like karma, but backed up by actual psychology.
If a positive feedback loop that you started eventually finds its way to some guy who, in his good mood, comes up with a good scientific hypothesis or new technology, then you helped a little bit.
It's just about doing what you can.
Well, without the construction worker, the scientist won't have a roof.
Without the farmer he won't have food.
Without a surgeon (often considered mere craftsmen by other medical doctors), he may well die before his time.
Art can be a source of mental refreshment, appreciated by quite a few scientists.Those worthy human who further science need those humans who are worthless to the species to do so.
Society isn't as simple as scientists = worthy / all others = worthless.
We're close to a point where the construction worker, farmer, and surgeon can be replaced with machines.
Which is exactly what we should be working toward.
Many of those support jobs will become obsolete as we go forward.
So we need them FOR NOW, and their existence is important to science, but they're also soon to be an unneeded part of the equation.
Even conservative estimates say we could replace 80% of jobs with today's robotic technology.
That's not even considering the point where we get to growing food in a factory like setting, eliminating the need for traditional farming.
You're too cynical.
We're going to reach a point where our current economic system is literally impossible to maintain, because it is not designed to work in a world where supply always is larger than demand.
The idea should be to a) make less work to do and then b) split that work up more.
40 hours of work a week is a travesty of humanity. We could probably bring that down to less than 40 hours a month from each of us.
We should be aiming for a point where work is a thing of the past.
We shouldn't accept work or death. We can conquer both.
They say that the only two things that are for sure in this world are death and taxes.
Let's change that.
/reads
Sounds to me as tribal communism
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Agreed Fey; we've also been "50 years from workable cold fusion" for about 75 years now.
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Doesn't Doodlebug already live this way? :)
The problem is that we ARE at the point where robots can take over.
But our current economic system is not suited to technology that reduces the amount of human jobs.
Hence we have to fix the economic system first just to use the technology we already have.
Think about the simple act of replacing every cashier with those easy to use automated one.
A former workforce of 20 cashiers in a supermarket could be reduced to 5 (1 watching 4 machines each) supervising cashiers watching the machines.
So we can do a lot of this replacement right now.
My job could be done by decent OCR software.
With teleconferencing a single professor could have a class of millions.
It's time to start using what we have.
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Sounds to me as tribal communism
politicalcompass.org does put me to the economic and freedom left of Gandhi.
Anarcho-Communism.
Unfortunately, no country or political party on earth is anywhere near my political beliefs.
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Yeah, I agree with Citizen Fleshgrinder.
Or, some of it anyway:
The whole point of socialism is to do away with work.
In the labor movement, historically, the shortening of the work day and the payment of overtime as a penalty, have been linked not just with quality of life (who wants to work 12 hours a day?) but also with the fight against unemployment. Divide the work evenly among the population and you take care of the crime-ridden welfare recipient phenom that has been bothering so many people in other threads.
EDIT: This obviously can't be done under capitalism and requires an international proletarian socialist revolution led by a Leninist vanguard party to pull off, though. Obviously.
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Doesn't Doodlebug already live this way? :)
Oh, and, you. Yeah, you.
At recess. By the jungle gym. You're mine.
I don't exactly disagree Flesh, but I think we do automate what we can as well as we can; the super market I frequent has a scan it your self system which I use. However, while it's extremely easy to program a robot to do monotonous tasks, we're no where near a computer that has the judgement capacity of the human brain in a human brain sized package.
When you say your job could be done by decent OCR software, I'd hazard a guess that you're glossing over the thousand random decisions you make intuitively every day; a class of millions with a single professor just can't account for very in depth discussion of the subject.
We've also got to a point where buying a human sized robot is cheaper than hiring a human being to do the same job.
Unfortunately, no country or political party on earth is anywhere near my political beliefs.
I believe this is probably true.
Welcome to the politroll threads!
So these people work, disdain anything "natural," have nothing that resembles a normal social framework of entertainment or shared culture beyond their own subsistence, and think children playing is wrong.
Why am I supposed to be impressed with them again?
Because they're freaks.
It'd be interesting to try and track this culture's happiness and then compare it to the Piraha tribe.
An interesting contrast of totally opposite tribal societies.
Could also tell us a lot about human culture since both tribes represent such extreme ends of the spectrum.
Was there any info on what happens if a tribal member just completely ignores his culture and plays/has fun? I know the kids are punished, but what if an adult snapped and started a random pick up game of soccer?
Imagine a society where "snapping" is a friendly game of soccer instead of a gun rampage.
I feel the need to be an "ambassador of fun" to these people. I'll just show up with a stereo, some liquor and a bag of balls.
"Alright boys and girls... THIS is called death metal*starts music*, this is called beer *hands out beer* and THIS is called drunken metal dodgeball!"
Doesn't Doodlebug already live this way? :)Oh, and, you. Yeah, you.
At recess. By the jungle gym. You're mine.
Come witness the violence inherent in the system!
I had to put another post here because Citizen Kryzbyn's keeps peeking out of the OTD archives, mocking me.
I f#@*ing hate that.
I wouldn't do it if I didn't care, Tovarish.
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I enjoy working, playing, praying and, once married, I expect to enjoy sex as well, so I'll be skipping the application to join the Baining.
Think about the simple act of replacing every cashier with those easy to use automated one. A former workforce of 20 cashiers in a supermarket could be reduced to 5 (1 watching 4 machines each) supervising cashiers watching the machines.
They did this at the Kroger across the street, and it failed. Hard. The machines constantly get confused, lock up, misread things, lock up again, and then demand cashier assistance. The one cashier is so busy trying to override and/or repair the first machine that the lines at the other three grow until they stretch around the store.
In the end, a 15-year-old kid can check people out 10 times faster than any number of automated checkout stands.