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Owen,
How much longer will the Kickstarter last? How long do we have to contribute?
The total Pathfinderization of Dragon's Delve excites me, but I need to know how long I have to get the funds together.
It's a Kickstarter. You don't actually get billed until the funding goes through, i.e., August 26th for D-A-D.
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It's clear that you are focusing on digital content and this is great, but I was wondering whether there are any thoughts about bringing a final fully pathfinderized version (along with an expanded player's guide, etc.) out as a hardbound book (a la Rappan Athuk).
We absolutely have looked at it, and there are lots of issues. Some aren't thing's we're prepared to discuss in public. Others are purely logistics (as it sits, with no additional content, Dragon's Delve by itself would already be 1,000 pages long -- too long to do as a single hardback book). Others are financial (layout on such a beast would be very expensive, and even if we managed to break it into two 500 page books chances are *each* one would cost $60-$80 even if we decided to do them at cost with no profit).
I'd love to see print versions of this megadungeon, but if we even tried right now we'd have to spend a lot of time on logistics and legal issues, and there's very little evidence we could sell more than 50-100 copies which can't get an economy of scale to make it financially viable. My long-term plans include a print option for this book, but several of the things that have to fall in place to do it aren't there yet.
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It's a Kickstarter. You don't actually get billed until the funding goes through, i.e., August 26th for D-A-D.Owen,
How much longer will the Kickstarter last? How long do we have to contribute?
The total Pathfinderization of Dragon's Delve excites me, but I need to know how long I have to get the funds together.
Kvantium is absolutely correct, the point at which you'd be billed is shortly after Sunday Aug 26, 3:36pm EDT. So while you can safely pledge now, you would need to have the money in place by then. :D
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Total Pathfinderization doesn't happen unless the Kickstarter hits $10K, by the way.
Yep! To be clear, a great deal of the material on Dungeonaday.com is already 100% Pathfidner compatible. The last half of Dragon's Delve has both 3.5 and Pathfinder stats for everything, Jason Bulmahn himself did Pathfinder conversion notes for much of the first half of it, and the four additional dungeons (Necroplis of Pergia, Night of the Starbird, Temple of the Black Goat, and Tomb World of Alak Amur) were designed exclusively for Pathfinder. So 4-and-three-quarters or so of 5 dungeons are Pathfinder-ready.
And obviously even those sections of Dragon's Delve currently using 3.5 rules are mostly Pathfinder-compatible. Picking an encounter at random, there's absolutely nothing in Encounter 55: The Repository of Dreams that needs any changes at all for a group using Pathfinder. Even those encounters that do need a rules update, no one would have trouble using it for a Pathfinder game. In Encounter 1 you should use Pathfinder versions of goblins, kobolds, and hobgoblins, but as with most adventures the creature's full stats are listed anyway. There's one reference to a Spot check (which would become Perception), and one new feat (Low Blow) which requires no changes for Pathfinder.
But yes, there are places we'd like to make sure we spell out exactly how to best use the Pathfinder rules for the earlier Dragon's Delve encounters. Even more, however, there are sections of the dungeon that were written before all the current options existed for the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game. There are no oracles, no alchemists, no characters armed with boar spears or spellcasters prepared to cast acidic spray. There's a lot of cool stuff we'd like to add to all sections of the dungeon, and updating half-a-million-words of content takes considerable time and effort.
We have every reason to believe, with the current support after less than a week, that the $10,000 goal is well within reach. If it isn't, we'd still encourage you to use Dragon's Delve even for 100% Pathfinder-rules-driven games.
As Monte wrote when he first started the project "But you know what? Let's just talk gamer to gamer here. No sales pitch, just the truth. Whether you're using an older or a newer edition of the game, or some variant system, or an entirely different game system altogether, if you just like dungeons, you're going to find Dungeonaday.com completely useful. The amount of time focused on game mechanics is small. The focus is on cool encounters, weird tricks and traps, fun battles, unique locations, and all those great things that go into really fun dungeon adventures. It's not about feats, THAC0, or healing surges. It's about imprisoned demon lords, facing off with an evil swordsman over a pit of boiling lava, and magical cubes that suck you into a tesseract prison. Right?"
And if none of that is convincing to you, be aware we appreciate everyone's support at ANY level!
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Well folks we're one week out, we've hit 200% of our original funding goal (now at $5,035), and that means we'll be commissioning custom art for a climactic encounter in each of the first ten levels of the dungeon, and producing a 4-page Player's Guide.
As we reach higher funding levels there will be more art and more pages for the PG, but for the moment I wanted to take a second and thank everyone who has given us such an amazing level or support so far!
Anyone curious about the funding levels can ask about them here, or go to the Megadungeon Kickstarter Page.
Owen:
One question - if the thing is "fully Pathfinderized", does that meant it's going to be Pathfinder-only, or will it maintain the 3.5/Pathfinder "dual-stat" setup?
Just curious, because, while I would like Pathfinder stats, I also don't want to lose the 3.5 stuff I originally bought into.
Thanks!
12-18 months of SGG PDFs is a big one - it's essentially the former "All-Genius Pass".
If you pledge in at $75, you get a copy of every PDF released by SGG for one year, starting August 26, 2012.
If you pledge in at $100, you get a copy of every PDF released by SGG for 18 months, starting August 26, 2012.
Plus, of course, all of the other stuff - continued access to the megadungeon, the PF updates, etc.
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One question - if the thing is "fully Pathfinderized", does that meant it's going to be Pathfinder-only, or will it maintain the 3.5/Pathfinder "dual-stat" setup?
Just curious, because, while I would like Pathfinder stats, I also don't want to lose the 3.5 stuff I originally bought into.
We have absolutely no plans to remove the existing 3.5 game material. I don't see that it would gain us anything (it's not like we have to worry about page breaks), and it might annoy people who are still running (or planning) 3.5 campaigns using the material.
And truth be told I spent way too much effort creating those stats on a daily schedule when we were first releasing this material to be willing to hide them away now!
Awesome, thanks!
I'm on the fence on this one - going to have to see how much money I have left after the trip to GenCon... Maybe we'll get lucky and sell out of our printed books there to give me some cushion ;)
That $50 level is calling...
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If I had $50 spare, I would totally send it to Jeremy just to see this as it amuses me to no end.
Kudos Owen, you are one dastardly mofo...
I have my moments. Heck if anyone else is a fan of psionics, gunpowder, performance combat, or any other major optional rule and would like to talk me into writing an alternate version of a foe from Dungeonaday.com by pledging, drop me a message. I'm cheap. :)
I'm cheap. :)
Refrains from commentary!!! LOL ;)
All kidding aside, I have a few questions. Note that I have already pledged for the Dungeon a Day and for the year of, as someone else put it somewhere, "the firehose that is SGG or Owen!". Not sure I remember it exactly correctly.
Anyway, as I have been watching the numbers gradually climb on the Kickstarter, I was kind of wondering where the existing population of users that are already on Dungeon A Day were with regard to the kickstarter. Are they just not electing to come back or is there some other issue that is holding them back from participating? Right now there are 85 backers. It seems to me, based on my understanding of the site and it's original popularity that there were a great deal more participants than that. I know I did not get in on the ground floor, so I am a "new" user. Is it that they have gotten what they need out of it or something else?
Understand I am not trying to be disparaging by any means as I love SGG's material, I'm just genuinely curious.
Thank you for your consideration.
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I'm a DAD Charter Member and now a $100 backer, for what it's worth. It was level 4 that really got me hardcore into DAD, given that I had wanted to do something very similar for an Epic game I had planned.
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Refrains from commentary!!! LOL ;)
I'm cheap. :)
And I gave you such a GREAT straight line, too1
I was kind of wondering where the existing population of users that are already on Dungeon A Day were with regard to the kickstarter.
I'll be honest, when we started I wasn't sure we'd get 85 backers.
Dungeonaday.com has a very fractured base, which is one reason we had to close down the original business plan. A lot of people who signed up for Dungeonaday.com did it when Monte was the sole designer, and lost interest when SGG took over. Others where just in it for the 27-level megadungeon, and now that they can get PDFs of the whole thing see no need to keep paying for online access. Others are fans of the 3.5 rules and aren't interested in the additional Pathfinder dungeons we have released since finishing Dragon's Delve, and don't have any interest in SGG's Pathfinder PDFs or the fact that if we do any new content, it's very likely to be Pathfinder-only.
Even among those who aren't leaving for any of the above reasons, many patrons feel there's no reason to pledge for this Kickstarter. One of the ongoing problems with Dungeonaday.com was that people could sign up for a month, grab any material they liked, then let their subscription lapse for 3 or 4 months while new material piled up. It's a problem a lot of online subscriptions have when they make all back material available to new subscribers, and we weren't immune. In this case the patrons are taking a risk -- there's no guarantee we'll open up subscriptions again or have another Kickstarter in the future, but that's their prerogative.
Many patrons were very vocal about being unhappy with the various changes Dungeonaday.com has undergone, so I'm not a bit surprised not everyone is signing up. Sadly, it's not practical to give every patron what they want the site to be at the subscription levels we've seen. If the Kickstarter hits higher funding level than we are predicting (and it's already at 230% of our original goal) we may be able to be more things to more people, but we'll never be able to do everything someone said we had to in order to keep their patronage.
And that's okay! We put together this Kickstarter because many, many people told us they wanted access to the existing website, and that's our primary goal. All the cool things we are working towards now are bonuses, and that's awesome.
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I'm also a charter subscriber 'til the end and I haven't decided to back this yet. I'd like to see the entire thing pathfinderized and given a good editing pass, but it's spendy and I've already spent a ton of money on an already great product. I'm just not sure I can justify more at this time. But this is an extremely well put together work and it's totally worth the money, so if you're on the fence, dig deep. There's no school like the old school. =)
Owen,
Thanks so much for your candid answer. Greatly appreciated. Never having bought into any online subscription based site, I didn't have a good understanding of the way things work. If this is the way other subscription models work I can see how some of the issues you are describing can be problematic and potentially for other types of subscription based sites as well.
I can certainly understand the draw that Monte had for this project, added to the fact that it was 3.5 and then Pathfinder and how that impacts decisions as to what individuals wish to support or not. I have friends that still play nothing but 1st Ed./OSRIC material and won't go beyond that. While I still have all my 1st ed. stuff, it is just sitting in a box collecting dust, but it's great nostalgia.
SunshineGrrl,
Thanks for your candid response as well. As I mentioned in my previous post I did pledge at the $75 level, which is the most I've pledged for any of the four Kickstarters I've done to date. Besides a year of SGG material on top of it all? Sweet!
Do I really need another 27th level dungeon on top of Rappan Athuk, probably not and I have plenty of other material I will be hard pressed to use too, but it sounds like it is worth exploring and I've rarely been disappointed in anything that Owen and Co. have put out. So there you go.
Thanks again.
Not a charter subscriber, but I've paid two years of membership and have happily pledged $75 for another year of access and more wonderful super genius PDFs. I love the dungeon, been playing my group through it for quite a while, I'll at least keep supporting the dungeon until I finish running my group through it, love running it from my iPad on the website.
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But this is an extremely well put together work and it's totally worth the money, so if you're on the fence, dig deep. There's no school like the old school. =)
Besides a year of SGG material on top of it all? Sweet!
Do I really need another 27th level dungeon on top of Rappan Athuk, probably not and I have plenty of other material I will be hard pressed to use too, but it sounds like it is worth exploring and I've rarely been disappointed in anything that Owen and Co. have put out. So there you go.
I love the dungeon, been playing my group through it for quite a while, I'll at least keep supporting the dungeon until I finish running my group through it, love running it from my iPad on the website.
Thanks to all of you for the kind words and positive feedback.
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Do I really need another 27th level dungeon on top of Rappan Athuk, probably not and I have plenty of other material I will be hard pressed to use too, but it sounds like it is worth exploring and I've rarely been disappointed in anything that Owen and Co. have put out. So there you go.
It has the poizen37 seal of approval, if that helps...
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Hey folks!
The Original Online Megadungeon Kickstarter has a week-and-a-half left, and we're less than $50 from hitting out $6500 stretch goal! That'll mean 10-more pieces of brand-new art, and the Player's Guide expands to 8 pages.
It also means we remain on-target to hit our ultimate $10,000 stretch goal, which will mean a top-down revision of our more-than-half-million word dungeon for all the current Pathfinder rules!
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Hey folks!
The Original Online Megadungeon Kickstarter has a week-and-a-half left, and we're less than $50 from hitting out $6500 stretch goal!
And we hit it!
Now on to $8k, and then $10k and then...
Well, if we get there I have plans. :D
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Doted because I want this dungeon pathfinderized! :)
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That $50 level is calling...If you (yes, you) bid at the $50 level, I'll add an alternate psionic version of one monster from the dungeon of your choice. :D
Alright, you evil man, I'm in at $50.
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Alright, you evil man, I'm in at $50.That $50 level is calling...If you (yes, you) bid at the $50 level, I'll add an alternate psionic version of one monster from the dungeon of your choice. :D
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Lemme know which foe you want psionic alternatives for at your convenience, and I'll get it done.
Now, for each new person who pledges at $75 or more AND chimes in here that they did it to follow in Jeremy's footsteps, I'll let them pick *another* monster to get a psionic alternate version of. So if you psionics fans want to see more psionic monsters, now's your chance!
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Our Online Megadungeon Kickstarter has hit $8,000! I'd love to finish strong and hit $10,000, so we can fully update what'll be the biggest Pathfinder adventure ever! Any help is appreciated -- pledge, repost, tell your friends -- we have just 4 days left!
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We're less than $250 from our major $10,000 stretch goal, which will ensure our site has the longest Pathfinder adventure in existence! And, of course, that's just one of the multiple dungeon on the site!
48 hours to go. I have no doubt we'll hit $10k, what I'm wondering is if we get enough interest to product another round of new content, with The Forbidden Vaults of Queen Ryssa!
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2080655001/dungeonadaycom-the-original- online-megadungeon
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Yeah, I upped my contribution to $100 a couple of hours ago too, hoping for the $10,000 level. Heck I'd like to see higher too, but I pushed my gaming budget to the limit for the next couple of months. Fortunately my SGG fix is taken care of for a while!
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Yeah, I upped my contribution to $100 a couple of hours ago too, hoping for the $10,000 level. Heck I'd like to see higher too, but I pushed my gaming budget to the limit for the next couple of months. Fortunately my SGG fix is taken care of for a while!
Yeah, I suspect anyone who hasn't already done is is also now rushing to get in on the reaper Kickstarter, so funds may be tight all around...
I looked at the Reaper mini's and they look nice and all, but right now our game is a G+ hangout. We've gotten away from F2F game nights for a while, and I don't have the patience, time or inclination to paint them.
I kickd in $100 for bones and $100 for dungeonaday today. That's all I cn swing this close together.
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Alright, you evil man, I'm in at $50.That $50 level is calling...If you (yes, you) bid at the $50 level, I'll add an alternate psionic version of one monster from the dungeon of your choice. :D:D
Lemme know which foe you want psionic alternatives for at your convenience, and I'll get it done.
Now, for each new person who pledges at $75 or more AND chimes in here that they did it to follow in Jeremy's footsteps, I'll let them pick *another* monster to get a psionic alternate version of. So if you psionics fans want to see more psionic monsters, now's your chance!
Jumped in on day one, pledged $150, begging anyway...
$12,000 has been breached!
Alright, any of you folk that have been hanging back because you want new content, now is the time to jump it, at $14,000 we get a new dungeon, 40 encounters (8 weeks) added as either a standalone or additional Dragon's Delve dungeon feature.
19 hours left, can we do it?
Hey Owen (or Hyrum), what pledge level does someone have to be at to get access to the $14,000 level dungeon?
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The Online Megadungeon Kickstarter, which includes the largest Pathfinder adventure ever, has passed $12,000! With 19 hours to go, our next goal at $14,000 will provide a new dungeon level for Dragon's Delve --the Forbidden Vaults of Queen Ryssa! Maybe we should write all the encounters so they use figures from reaper's Bones line? A lot of you seem to have pledged for those...)
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2080655001/dungeonadaycom-the-original- online-megadungeon/posts
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We're at $12,721.
There are 6 hours left.
The stretch goal for a new level is $14,000.
can we make it? I honestly I have no idea. I didn't think we'd hit $12k. When we did, I thought it was a surge from folks who wanted Hero lab, and I didn't think we'd go much further.
Now? Now I'll just let you fine people decide how much you want me to work, and sit back and see what new miracle you forge.
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Well, just popped my $75 towards it so we can toss one more psionic monster in there (and because SGG stuff is awesome).
Funding has passed $14k now, which means an all-new level! Will save failed, $50 pledged. :)
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YOU FOLKS ARE ALL AWESOME!
A formal new stretch goal will be posted shortly, but as the Lead Developer of Super Genius Games, I'll tell you now that if my some miracle we hit $17,000, we'll DOUBLE the length of the Forbidden Vaults of Queen Ryssa! That's just an extra $15 from each existing backer!
No matter what happens from here, you all have made this an amazing experience.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2080655001/dungeonadaycom-the-original- online-megadungeon
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$14,641. 225 backers. New art. A top-down Pathfinder-ization. A new whole dungeon level.
Dungeonaday.com is here to stay.
Grateful thanks to everyone who pledged, reposted, talked about the project, or even just encouraged us. You've all been great.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2080655001/dungeonadaycom-the-original- online-megadungeon
Wow... I missed finding this thread by 9 minutes... I am sad now...
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$14,641. 225 backers. New art. A top-down Pathfinder-ization. A new whole dungeon level.
Dungeonaday.com is here to stay.
Grateful thanks to everyone who pledged, reposted, talked about the project, or even just encouraged us. You've all been great.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2080655001/dungeonadaycom-the-original- online-megadungeon
Congratulations on an awesome kickstarter. As a charter subscriber for the life of the product, I can't wait to see the pathfinderization of everything. I'm sure you guys will do an awesome job.