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Hope they caught this crazy...and kicked his arse with big boots.
Source: Folks shot at Denver Midnight Screening of Batman Film
Well.
Not to make light of the situation, but maybe I'll wait a couple weeks before going to see it myself.
Nothing can predict a spree killer. Most of the time they go to one of two places: either to the place of the people who pissed them off the most, or to a place where there are bound to be lots of victims. It's why schools are popular.
It's mildly surprising they caught him alive, most spree killers shoot themselves as the cops are closing in. Though some have been caught alive: Brenda Spencer, Denis Lortie, William Cruise, and Julian Knight, to name a few.
I wonder what this guy's trigger was...
What a horror.
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I hope everyone involved in this gets some justice.
Spree Killer: has multiple victims all killed in the same time incident, with no cool down period in between (the cool down period is a hallmark of the serial killer).
Spree Killing has generally been thought of as an American phenomenon, but there have been plenty from elsewhere:
Ernst Wagner (Germany, 1913)
Mutsuo Toi (Japan, 1938)
Robert Poulin (Canada, 1975)
Woo Bum-Kon (South Korea, 1982)
Denis Lourti (Canada, 1994)
Campo Elias Delgado Morales (Columbia, 1986)
Michael Ryan (UK, 1987)
Frank Vitkovic (Australia, 1987)
Christian Dornier (France, 1989)
Marc Lepine (Canada, 1989)
David Gray (New Zealand, 1990)
Wade Frankum (Australia, 1991)
Baruch Goldstein (West Bank, 1994)
Thomas Hamilton (UK, 1996)--this case led to the handgun ban in the UK, he killed a bunch of 5 year olds
Martin Bryant (Australia, 1996)
Abbas Al-Baqir Abbas (Sudan, 2000)
Dipendra Bir Bikram Shah (Nepal 2001)--he was the Crown Prince of Nepal
Pekka-Eric Auvinen (Finland, 2007)
Matti Juhani Saari (Finland, 2008)
Tim Kretschmer (Germany, 2009)
Ibrahim Shkupolli (Finland 2009)
Are the ones I have read about.
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RIP, good thoughts and prayers for the victims.
There's not really much useful to say about this.
One wonders though, is America more likely to produce spree killers per capita of population? Is there a regional breakdown? And would things like the Oklahoma bombing be considered another manifestation of the same thing?
Well, we are generally told that we can grow up to be whatever we want...
In seriousness, I'm not sure the cause of this is known. If we knew for certain, I like to think steps would have been taken to try and control for this better.
What troubled me beyond the actual event itself was reading the posting on the CNN article and seeing the number of people that seem to think that if someone in the audience had a gun then that person would have taken out the shooter and the problem would have been solved.
#1: Who says no one in the audience had a gun. I guess the posters just assume that because no one shot back.
#2. Real life doesn't work like the movies and TV. If someone suddenly starts spraying the place down with bullets and tear gas, you aren't going to be trying to get your gun out to shoot back at the guy.
I'd consider politically motivated terrorism to be something very different.There's not really much useful to say about this.
One wonders though, is America more likely to produce spree killers per capita of population? Is there a regional breakdown? And would things like the Oklahoma bombing be considered another manifestation of the same thing?
Especially since McVeigh was in/near Waco during the time of the Branch Davidians incident and was likely affected by what had occurred there. What happened in Oklahoma occurred to the day couple years later after the disastrous siege.
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Spree Killer: has multiple victims all killed in the same time incident, with no cool down period in between (the cool down period is a hallmark of the serial killer).
Spree Killing has generally been thought of as an American phenomenon, but there have been plenty from elsewhere:
Ernst Wagner (Germany, 1913)
Mutsuo Toi (Japan, 1938)
Robert Poulin (Canada, 1975)
Woo Bum-Kon (South Korea, 1982)
Denis Lourti (Canada, 1994)
Campo Elias Delgado Morales (Columbia, 1986)
Michael Ryan (UK, 1987)
Frank Vitkovic (Australia, 1987)
Christian Dornier (France, 1989)
Marc Lepine (Canada, 1989)
David Gray (New Zealand, 1990)
Wade Frankum (Australia, 1991)
Baruch Goldstein (West Bank, 1994)
Thomas Hamilton (UK, 1996)--this case led to the handgun ban in the UK, he killed a bunch of 5 year olds
Martin Bryant (Australia, 1996)
Abbas Al-Baqir Abbas (Sudan, 2000)
Dipendra Bir Bikram Shah (Nepal 2001)--he was the Crown Prince of Nepal
Pekka-Eric Auvinen (Finland, 2007)
Matti Juhani Saari (Finland, 2008)
Tim Kretschmer (Germany, 2009)
Ibrahim Shkupolli (Finland 2009)Are the ones I have read about.
There's also Anders Behring Breivik who last year shot 69 people at Utoya, a small island just off Oslo in Norway.
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For the love of @#$% can we just leave the politics out of this?
Agreed.
I can't watch anything about this on televised news because it keeps slipping into the same mess Orthos is calling out here and more, and it's only going to get worse from there.
My thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families.
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I have a feeling it will come down to 1 of 2 things.
He is making a political statement like the Anders guy in Norway
OR
He is just a loser of a guy like the Virginia tech shooter. Mad that he has no GF, no life, no one will accept him in their D&D game, a real social outcast of a person with no friends, something stupid really
Thank you sir.
My prayers to the victims, their families, and the killer.
My prayers go out to the families. This is evil.
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What's really annoying is all the half-assed arm-chair speculation to sell a story and pump up the ad slot sales. Examples.
Nepherti, your extensive knowledge on the subject is... scary. a little bit.
I have a fascination with learning about violent crime, be it serial killers, spree killers, serial rape, etc. Yet with all this fascination and knowledge I can't play in an Evil campaign....
My heart, it does go out to all the victims and their families. I pray that one day peace of mind is achieved.
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What's really annoying is all the half-assed arm-chair speculation to sell a story and pump up the ad slot sales. Examples.
Yup. No matter how often they are completely wrong they just keep spewing out insipid nonsense.
My thoughts are with the family and friends of those who lost their lives in this tragedy.
What's really annoying is all the half-assed arm-chair speculation to sell a story and pump up the ad slot sales. Examples.
Agreed. That kind of speculation does a huge disservice to society. I'm as interested as the next guy to know what if any motivation this killer had, but I'm not going to speculate his motives since I know nothing about the guy.
Apparently he was a neuroscience doctoral student at a nearby university, 24 years old, according to the latest reports. No motive has been given as yet.
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What troubled me beyond the actual event itself was reading the posting on the CNN article and seeing the number of people that seem to think that if someone in the audience had a gun then that person would have taken out the shooter and the problem would have been solved.
#1: Who says no one in the audience had a gun. I guess the posters just assume that because no one shot back.
#2. Real life doesn't work like the movies and TV. If someone suddenly starts spraying the place down with bullets and tear gas, you aren't going to be trying to get your gun out to shoot back at the guy.
Also, the shooter is reported to have been wearing Kevlar.
Kevlar doesn't cover the entire body. And if someone in the audience did have a gun, then they theoretically could have taken out the gunman. But you have to remember a few things:
1: Dark theater. You'd need a tack-light or a laser sight to get a good shot. Those with a conceal carry permit are taught to never shoot unless you have a clear shot.
2: The gunman used tear gas, according to witnesses. Civilians are not trained to fight its effects.
3: The fact that he shot up the place during a gunfight in the movie. Many of those witnesses claim to have heard the gunfire and at first thought it was part of the movie.
Plus, Spree Killers (or any killer for that matter) tend to pick places where there is a strong likelihood of getting a lot of victims before someone is able to put a stop to them. A theater is about the worst place to fall victim to a crime. It's too dark and there are too few exits. Many people are tuned in to the show rather than what is going on around them. A civilian who is carrying in a park or a fair is going to have a much easier time putting a stop to a Spree Killer.
Assuming that point 2 is correct, how did this guy get ahold of tear gas? I wasn't aware that was available to civilians.
He could have stolen it, purchased it on the black market, or (since he was studying neuroscience) he might have been smart enough to make some sort of gas canister/smoke bomb. I mean, take a can of pepper spray and MacGuyver it to where the button stays pressed down and the contents are expressed in one use.
In other words, what was described as tear gas might not have been an actual tear gas canister, just over the counter pepper spray.
Assuming that point 2 is correct, how did this guy get ahold of tear gas? I wasn't aware that was available to civilians.
It's very simple to turn a smoke grenade or other pyrotechnic device into an irritant smoke device. I'm not certain of the legal status of such a device.
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I heard "smoke grenade" at first, then "tear gas," and then "some sort of bomb device."
BT is this anywhere near where you live? (you do live in colorado right)
Denver is more than an hour north of the Springs.
The initial reporting on these kind of events tends to be wildly inaccurate and speculative.
It doesn't help that most reporters wouldn't know a CS grenade or a real assault rifle if it fell on them.
I've also watched the Aurora police chief say at least a couple of things that are almost certainly false.