I just saw it.
It is, in my mind, the worst movie that I can recall having seen. I have probably seen others that were worse, but I don't really remember because I didn't care. I cared about Prometheus. I was anticipating something brilliant.
It was utter crap through and through. It was stupid beyond belief.
I will be seeing the movie multiple times. I adore almost every moment of the movie (mind you, I was also a giant fan of Lost), and I got a lot of the little nods towards the other movies (even if Scott has said he doesn't consider all of them to be canon for the series - without actually stating where the cutoff point is).
I was really struck by how Michael Fassbender actually managed to hit the uncanny valley with his acting for David 8. It was subtly jarring and disturbing, and he honestly deserves an Oscar nomination for his role in the movie.
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@Drayden: You're conflating character with plot - Holloway is written as an impetuous, inconsiderate, irresponsible person. "As far as you're concerned, these two are in charge." No plot holes there.
You make the salient points to explain how it is, in fact, a plot hole because no such character would have ever been allowed on that ship in the first place.
As for Vickers:
Spoiler:She might have been his real daughter; however, she may have also been a "child" of his like David. I don't know.
I just saw it.
It is, in my mind, the worst movie that I can recall having seen. I have probably seen others that were worse, but I don't really remember because I didn't care. I cared about Prometheus. I was anticipating something brilliant.
It was utter crap through and through. It was stupid beyond belief.
Sad, but true.
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I will be seeing the movie multiple times. I adore almost every moment of the movie (mind you, I was also a giant fan of Lost), and I got a lot of the little nods towards the other movies (even if Scott has said he doesn't consider all of them to be canon for the series - without actually stating where the cutoff point is).
I'll also be seeing it again, probably not in a theater. I also noticed some of the nods to the other flicks, but want to see it again in case I missed some (which I'm certain I did).
I was really struck by how Michael Fassbender actually managed to hit the uncanny valley with his acting for David 8. It was subtly jarring and disturbing, and he honestly deserves an Oscar nomination for his role in the movie.
Indeed, I thought his performance was really something. Every time I see this guy now, it just seems his acting is getting better and better.
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@Drayden: There is absolutely a reason Holloway is on the ship. An all too human reason.
@Mok: I find it hard to reconcile your post with the last paragraph. Aliens was a bland actioner that piggy-backed on the universe Scott created in the first film; I'd hardly call it classic art. Star Wars, while an ode to grand adventure cinema is hardly edifying. The Matrix is the perfect example of "pat allusions to big ideas". And the Return of the King is horribly paced, especially in the last hour.
I realize I'm starting to sound like I'm a fanboy. I admit I loved the movie. To me it was perhaps the best sci-fi movie since Blade Runner. But I'll readily admit it was flawed, which only adds to the grandiose ambition of the film.
But what do I know, I felt similarly about Stone's 'Alexander'.
It sounds like I have no reason to see this, having never seen any of the Alien movies. So I would just be frustrated by idiotic characters standing in line for their cue to die.
They're not only standing in line. They're shoving and trying to cut in ahead.
I watched Alien (the director's cut) immediately after watching Prometheus. It was refreshing to watch something that made a lick of sense.
Prometheus is a masterpiece. Period. Ridley Scott and his team did an outstanding job.
People who are disappointed is bcz they were not able to connect the Promotheus events with Alien (1979) events movie.
Yes, Prometheus is a PREQUEL to Alien. But don't expect to see some alien creatures fighting.
My advice to everyone who loves Alien and wants to enjoy Prometheus is to READ explanations BEFORE. READ SPOILERS that explains what is happening in Promotheus.
SO here some SPOILERS, feel free to read
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1) opening scene shows human-look-like specie, called an "engineer", who sacrifices himself by drinking a black substance to create lifeform on EARTH!.
Above him is a spaceship leaving..and probably more engineers gonna be dropped at different places on earth to do the same thing.
This is explained later on by archeologists that different civilizations on Earth that had nothing in common, have the same starmap drawing in their culture.
Conclusion : Human race was an experiment. We have been created by these "Engineers"
2) Prometheus spaceship lands in 2094 on this moon planet which is NOT the same planet where Ripley lands. But in the same galaxy system.
Ripley event happens 30 years later. This moon planet is a military base. They experiment their weapon which is the black substance that creates new lifeform such as Alien.
3) Prometheus crew found all the "engineers" dead on this planet. something went wrong. When? 2000 years ago which appears to be the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. In an interview, Ridley Scott clearly stated this event is the trigger of what went wrong on these military base. Explanation is that Engineers was watching us for millions years. They witnessed how we evolved. And they decided to abort the experiment when they realize we were bad. Their mission was to destroy earth. That is why the Engineer ship at the end is programmed to go to Earth. That is why when Prometheus crew wake up the Engineer...he reacts aggressively by killing every one. Like the Alien creature, WE represent a threat to them. Remember the black substance is a weapon to create destructive life form.
4) David, the android, received order to experiment the black substance on a member of the crew: The archeologist. This one has sex with his partner and he contaminates her. She gives birth to a squid/facehugger. When this squid attacks the engineer at the end, and hugs his face , an alien bursts out his chest. This alien looks like different because it has human DNA.
5) When the girl archeologist Shaw leaves the planet at the end with the android , she leaves a message. This message is probably the same that Ripley nostromo crew receives. You can imagine Ripley crew was a rescue mission to find Prometheus. BUT they land on a different moon planet which is another engineer military base.
Prometheus has a great plot. But without understanding the connection, audience gonna be disappointed.
I hope they gonna make a sequel to Prometheus because now WE now that who has created us....but who has created the "engineers"?
Also I'd like to state they will be releasing a 20 minute extended cut of Prometheus soon. Also, there is books in the works as well.
Having seen all the Aliens movies, Prometheus is not a masterpeice. It opened up a lot of questions. Now if this was done on purpose to setup a sequel, and the sequel delivers then it can be said at that point, that a great job was done, but if this movie was supposed to be a one and done, then it failed.
Even assuming a sequel is coming many of the people on that ship were supposed to be smart, and they were far from it. Playing with the snake was obviously a bad idea, and IIRC that guy was a biologist of sorts.*
*modified to prevent spoiling the movie
PS:The snake was just one of a few WTF moments.
How does that help me, having never seen Alien?
I suggest you go out immediately and pick up Alien and Aliens. You can find them cheap on DVD.
The blu ray release of Prometheus will have an additional 20 minutes added to the film.
So, the people that liked it think those that didn't are dumb because they can't see the hidden majesty and subtle depth.
Those that didn't like it think that those that did are dumb because they can't see the gaping plot holes.
Is that about the sum of it?
Are some viewing this through a telescope and others through a microscope?
I love it. The film is on the right financial track to easily breed a sequel.
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So, the people that liked it think those that didn't are dumb because they can't see the hidden majesty and subtle depth.
Those that didn't like it think that those that did are dumb because they can't see the gaping plot holes.
Is that about the sum of it?
Are some viewing this through a telescope and others through a microscope?
I viewed it through 3D glasses.
So, the people that liked it think those that didn't are dumb because they can't see the hidden majesty and subtle depth.
Those that didn't like it think that those that did are dumb because they can't see the gaping plot holes.
Is that about the sum of it?
Are some viewing this through a telescope and others through a microscope?
I would not say anyone is dumb, but it takes more than some potential revelation that questions our existence to make a movie good. I see the appeal in it, but the movies still has to make sense in other areas also. In short, a movie being really good in one area(such as making you think) does not give it a pass to fail in other areas(such as loss of common sense by characters).
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It's obviously a film that's dividing audiences.
Personally... I loved the movie. My favorite of the year so far. Alien's my all-time favorite movie, so of course I'm predisposed to enjoy Prometheus.
I don't think that those who disliked the movie/hated the movie are dumb at all—I can even see why some elements of the movie would make people hate it. For me, those elements were non-issues—I don't require a movie to answer every single question. Especially when it's as beautiful to look at as Prometheus is.
In any event... your mileage will vary. I'll certainly be seeing it again, perhaps a few more times, before it leaves theaters.
That doesn't tell me why I should watch Prometheus.How does that help me, having never seen Alien?I suggest you go out immediately and pick up Alien and Aliens. You can find them cheap on DVD.
Oh well, not my loss. That's fine, the film will do just fine without you.
Has this been linked yet?
That is a pretty accurate description of the movie. David just did things, and nobody every really knew why. I figured out why to an extent, but a lot of things still did not make sense even after the movie was over.
Despite my naysaying the movie is not terrible, but it has been downgraded to "wait for DVD release" instead of "go see it now".
James Jacobs is correct though. The cinematography(I think that is the right word) is really good.
Oh well, not my loss. That's fine, the film will do just fine without you.Well, you lost at explaining why the movie was worth seeing, that's for sure.
I suggest you ignore others opinions, and judge it with your own eyes.
I won't deny that the movie is beautiful.
It's an exquisitely crafted, gold-plated toilet.
I love it. The film is on the right financial track to easily breed a sequel.
I, for one, don't want a sequel. I am perfectly happy with everything not being explained.
I love it. The film is on the right financial track to easily breed a sequel.I, for one, don't want a sequel. I am perfectly happy with everything not being explained.
That's up to the filmakers. I'm sure we'll be hearing about it soon enough.
Edit: Well, I'm ignoring yours. Does that count?
If you haven't seen Alien, then you'll probably not understand Prometheus.No, I think I would understand it just fine as a terrible movie. When it comes on Netflix, maybe I will find out.
Gladly.
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That's up to the filmakers. I'm sure we'll be hearing about it soon enough.I love it. The film is on the right financial track to easily breed a sequel.I, for one, don't want a sequel. I am perfectly happy with everything not being explained.
No, it's up to me! I bet you guys didn't know this, but Ridley Scott calls me up before he makes any important decision.
Hee hee!
Is there any particular reason you're picking a fight with SuperSlayer, TOZ? I mean other than fighting is fun?
@TOZ: Why should you see it? It has great special effects, nasty monsters, space ships, pseudo-science, and icky scenes. It is also not Madagascar 3 or Rock of Ages (I assume you have already seen The Avengers, if you haven't, WTF man?). The movie doesn't make a lot of sense, so what. I watch Sci-Fi (or SY-FY) movies all the time, I don't need sense, I need to be amused for 1.5-2.5 hours.
No, you don't need to see Alien and Aliens for it to make sense. It doesn't match up with them exactly (if there is a sequel to Prometheus would be a second prequel to Alien maybe it might connect the dots better). Though I have to say, never seen Alien or Aliens? WTF man. Go see them, if for no other reason than the above reasons for seeing this movie (monsters, space ships, pseudo-science, etc). I assume you've seen Avatar right, well that is Saturday Morning Cartoons to the Alien movies.
@SuperSlayer: I think you are pretty far off on some of the conclusions you are drawing. Let's just say that there is no way that anything we saw would lead directly to the beginning of Alien. There is obvious some other crap that needs to happen for that to match up (specifically we need an egg laying queen before the connections can be made).
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As to this being the worst movie ever, B.S. That title was taken by Tales of an Ancient Empire.
This movie is full of stupid crap, things that make you want to ram your head into a wall as fast as you can. But it is not the worst movie ever. It is just made by people that don't know crap about science or scientists. I mean even this crazy guy would have said, "Take the helmet off, are you freaken nuts. It may be messing up my cool do, but even I'm not that insane."
My problems with the this movie is basically I have a hard time believing a company is going to spend 2 years (and however many years went into preparing for the trip) to basically send the mental equivalents of Peter Griffin. Other than that the movie was ok, and hey I watch Family Guy so having a bunch of Peters on board isn't going to stop me from watching it again (on dvd). Hell I liked AvP.
Fair enough. So Snow White sucked, huh?
My problems with the this movie is basically I have a hard time believing a company is going to spend 2 years (and however many years went into preparing for the trip) to basically send the mental equivalents of Peter Griffin.
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It had its flaws, yes. A lack of acting, some plot holes, and a superfluous character or two. But that's another thread.
Hee hee!
Is there any particular reason you're picking a fight with SuperSlayer, TOZ? I mean other than fighting is fun?
He's not bugging me. If he wants to fight, bring it. I love fighting if somebody wants to fight me.
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Are some viewing this through a telescope and others through a microscope?
Id say this is pretty accurate. It would seem the writers spent so much focus on making the characters represent ideas they forgot to give them any humanity. The trick to not minding the characters lack of common sense is not minding them being retarded....bad joke I know. I am a sucker for space exploration and mystery. Combine that with guessing the symbolism is what made me enjoy this film. I have to admit though all the stunning artwork and great metaphors wasn't enough to let the characters shenanigans go unnoticed.
Frankly, looking through the newspaper every morning, following the political landscape, taking interest in social and social economic behavior, I find it amusing every time that people cry havoc and call movie characters unbelievable because they make dumb decisions...
Some decisions in certain circumstances are dumber than others, many people who would call characters out, would call real people out also.
If some random guy in the newspaper does something dumb, and I don't catch it is probably because I think it does not affect me in any way shape or form so there is no vested interest. The movie that has flaws has most likely taken my money(even if it was not a great amount), and my free time(a good portion of it for that day) so people will complain.
As for politics and social issues some people don't follow or understand them so they don't know when they should be upset. They do know when to be upset at a movie though.