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Pazio needs to fix the WBL /treasure distribution for tiers 10-11. on average that means 22500gp per level. this does not match the prce of items that tier 10-11 characters need. In PFS we do not have crafting
this breaks the WBL charts that were brought over from 3.5 which assumed crafting items is available for characters.
As a Gm master I am embrased when at the end of a letheal mission I only am able to give out a reward that buys less than 1/3 of a level apporiate item for a tier 10 11 character also the junk that is given out on chronicle sheets for tier 10-11 is not even worth while buying for characters on the 10-11 tier. Items that should be on chronicle sheets are staffs metamagic rods 20000 gp or higher rings 4th level wands scrolls 5th and 6th level armor pf +5 enchantment.
If Pazio does not want to do this prestige should be used. if you have X prestige you get a Y discount on magic items this type of thing could be implemented at all levels of society play. this would overcome the need for crafting.
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The wealth difference between level 10 and 11 PC wealth is 20,000 and the difference between 11 and 12 PC wealth is 26,000. So an average of 23,000.
So with 3 scenarios per level: 23,000/3 = 7666, which looking at a random chronicle sheet is pretty much what you get at Tier 10-11.
The assumption of crafting, IMO is just an assumption. I read the WBL table as being how much wealth you have at that level, whether you crafted to get it, or married a rich widow.
This also ignores that you can spend PA to buy stuff. 30 Chronicles x 2 PA x 3/4 (you won’t get all the PA) = 45 PA x 375 (2 PA can buy a 750 gp item) = roughly 15,000 gp of stuff, if you spend all your PA.
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Hmm... I see what you mean now. From what it looks like to me the rewards for each chronicle at that tier average around 7k to 8k. If you multiply that by three (keeping in mind that it takes three chronicles to gain a level) that works out to about 21k to 24k which is in keeping with the range per level you specified. It looks as though that part is about right.
So I would say your main complaint would be about the specific items granted? I haven't had any major complaints personally, but I can see where others might. (None of my level 10 characters ever owned anything higher than +3 at that level. Since I haven't played a spellcaster at that level yet I couldn't compare.)
Sorry, I know this doesn't really help you but I was trying to reconcile the math for myself. I can understand your frustration, though, for what it's worth.
Ninja'ed by Matt on the average rewards. Thanks for putting it more succintly.
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Hmm... I were quite certain that was the other way around. But I seem to be absolutely wrong. Thank you Jiggy :)
Actually you aren’t wrong at all. What Jiggy hypertexted to supports what you said. That the WBL chart does not account for crafting. The chart is what it is. Crafted items are treated differently in how their value is applied to the WBL chart.
WBL does not consider crafting on a generic level. That in actuality taking a crafting feat gives you more gear in wealth based on gear price than what someone who didn’t have the feat would have. Which is why Sean K. Reynolds indicated the cost should be applied to WBL, not the price.
But in a campaign where there is no crafting, the WBL chart holds up completely as it should.
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If you can not by level apporiate items with the ammount of gold you recieve per level the WBL chart is broken. The WBL chart does not seem to take into consideration the ammount of money magic items cost. There for at levels 10-11 you cannont buy Magic items like staffs for arcane casters or the big 6 items for melee characters. by levels 10-11 you should be able to by a +4 t two stat item cost 40k gp or a+4 weapon
32000 gp.
based on the formula of 1/2 character level -1 for standard magic games 0r 1/2 character level for high magic games. Golarian is a standard magic setting as opposed to the Forgetten realms which is a
high magic setting.
You also have to take into consideration why a level 10-11 character would work for a cheapskate group that under paid them when at high levels they could go out on their own and make alot more GP and not have to share with the Society.
Whay I am basicly saying is the risk reward system at high levels for PFS is broken and needs to be adjusted up wards by about 15k for the 10-11 tier and put better items on chronicle sheets unique items that are worth a character spending his hard earned gp on and putting better healing items at high tier. I have never seen a Heal scroll on a 10-11 chronicle sheet or a regenation scroll I have seen very few 5th or 6th level arcane scrolls and no spell books on chronicle sheets.
also for the 10-11 tier there should be missions for various religos factions in golorian that can earn raise dead boons heal boons neither
of those type of boons is unlevel approiate for compleating a high level mission for the Society.
Director of Brand Strategy
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Lou, this is not the first time you've made these claims about what power of gear is appropriate at a given level. Whether that's true or not, it's not the role of the Pathfinder Organized Play campaign to revise the assumes wealth level for characters at a given level. If you believe the WBL tables need to be revised, it's a discussion for the general Pathfinder Roleplaying Game rules section of the message boards. If the design team sees the value in your position and decides to alter the WBL table and/or magic item pricing scales, we'll make the necessary adjustments to the campaign's assumptions to follow suit. Until then, the campaign uses the published WBL and magic item pricing tables from the Core Rulebook.
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Thanks Mark, who would be the approiate person at Pazio to contact about this issue? I belive that it has a direct bearing on PFS and needs to be adressed. As always I like your quick response is appriciated and I understand the constraints you opperate under as the PFS lead thanks agiain.
. If you believe the WBL tables need to be revised, it's a discussion for the general Pathfinder Roleplaying Game rules section of the message boards. If the design team sees the value in your position and decides to alter the WBL table and/or magic item pricing scales, we'll make the necessary adjustments to the campaign's assumptions to follow suit. Until then, the campaign uses the published WBL and magic item pricing tables from the Core Rulebook.