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Oh, another SLA idea: once-per-day quickened true strike would be super-popular, I imagine. ;)So a once a day ability is more popular than playing a unique race?
I would take most any SLA, even at 1/day or 3/day over a race. There are far more ways to put it to use, and a race does require you to start a new character.
For example, I have a lvl 5 Cleric/future Holy Vindicator. If I were to magically have the chance to receive an Aasimar boon , I would have to think long and hard about using it, even if an Aasimar is essentially the perfect race to make into a channel-heavy cleric.
Another boon might be to apply the Half-Dragon or Half-Celestial template to your character in lieu of taking a level when you gain enough experience to level up. I think that would be better than a race, since you can use it with a charcter who you are already attached to. That might be a little bit powerful though, now that I think about it.
Oh, and I also need an answer to give people who complain because they can't get to a con to get a +1 to a stat or an SLA or higher level CR purchase power boon, much like what I am hearing here about people who can't get to a con to get a racial boon. Afterall, the boons you are going to list for me are going to be as good, or better, than the race boons which means the cries of unfairness would be even louder.
I think there is a fundamental difference between a race and some of the boons that are being suggested here. The races are things that people can read in a book they own and say "that looks cool, I want it". The ideas in this thread are just shiny presents for your character. I don't think the division between things published character options and shiny extras is a very artificial divide.
EDIT: Kyle's idea is awesome because it not only is something that can be a draw to bring people to high-profile cons, but it also gives an incentive to stimulate RP, which there is already not enough of at most PFS tables.
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Oh, and I also need an answer to give people who complain because they can't get to a con to get a +1 to a stat or an SLA or higher level CR purchase power boon, much like what I am hearing here about people who can't get to a con to get a racial boon. Afterall, the boons you are going to list for me are going to be as good, or better, than the race boons which means the cries of unfairness would be even louder.
Such a pessimist! ;)
I think Saint Calith makes a good point - with races (when a race book is coming out), it feels like a restriction. With other/new/unique things, it feels extra. Even though they're both allowing things other people don't get, it feels different when it's something you own the book for.
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Oh, and I also need an answer to give people who complain because they can't get to a con to get a +1 to a stat or an SLA or higher level CR purchase power boon, much like what I am hearing here about people who can't get to a con to get a racial boon. Afterall, the boons you are going to list for me are going to be as good, or better, than the race boons, which means the cries of unfairness will be even louder.
It is unfortunate that you lump the disgruntled people who cant afford the time/money as "people who complain". Most of us spend our money on books like the ARG, it would be nice to be able to make good use of them.
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It is unfortunate that you lump the disgruntled people who cant afford the time/money as "people who complain". Most of us spend our money on books like the ARG, it would be nice to be able to make good use of them.
It's unfortunate that I come in here to try to listen to feedback and try to work with the playerbase to make things better, and you want to read things into my statement that are not true. Anyone who has met me knows I am open to suggestions.
I can see this is going nowhere but down a negative road from here so I'm out of this thread and going back to helping out at Origins. Have a great day.
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Free feat boons? I wouldn't make it specific feats, though I'd make it narrow, Combat Feat, Style Feat, or list feats on sheet and allow to select one, and of course they'd have to meet prereqs. Skill bonuses I think are popular. Boons to make a skill a class skill, or maybe extra traits (without having to make a new char).
I would think that having a boon that can be applied to an already created character would be more popular than ones that require a new character (race boons or the extra trait, provided races were opened). I know I'd have rather had the +2 perception over the extra trait with a new char, that I could have applied to one of my current characters.
If races were opened up, and I had a race boon that would be able to be turned in for a 1/day SLA applied to a new char, it would depend on the SLA, but I'd probably go for it. I like my characters that I have now and I might not even make a non-core race char, but it would be nice to have the ability to if I bought the ARG.
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Perhaps you simply dont wish to believe that there are places with low populations yet have a small core of enthusiastic players who would really enjoy the benefit of playing with a second tier race. Truly it does not seem so hard for me to imagine... then again I dont have to imagine it, its a reality for me.I think I shall, even with your post dripping of sarcasm :P
I find it hard to believe that there aren't 11 other people where you are at needed to make an event of that size.
This is the case even in some larger towns. I've been running for four months and while I've gathered some interest, I still haven't broken the seven-player table barrier. I live in Albuquerque, NM.
The fewest number of people required to make up fifteen tables in one day is twenty: 5 GMs and fifteen players, with every GM taking on a GMPC pregen. The fewest number of players for fifteen solid tables in one day is 25. This makes five tables running three sessions each. The fewest required to make up fifteen tables in a three day event is eight. The fewest for fifteen solid tables in a three day event is ten. Two tables running three sessions per day for any two days, plus another one table running three sessions on the remaining day.
Thinking about this... I wonder if it wouldn't be possible to set up an event at my FLGS...
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It is unfortunate that you lump the disgruntled people who cant afford the time/money as "people who complain". Most of us spend our money on books like the ARG, it would be nice to be able to make good use of them.
I'm sorry. I go to my cons and I usually get my con badge by volunteering. If the con is local I NEVER get a room and in the past have used public transportation to get there and back. When I travel, (which I have done twice) I shared a room and brought most of my own food in a cooler. Some of my books (APG, UC) are rewards for the work I've done. I've also helped organize events and volunteered in my local community, sometime at the last minute, to GM and make tables go off.
I have helped organize events and have put some serious thought into putting together a game day for charity. If I did so I could probably go to my Venture Captain and get boons to share. If he were to busy, I could probably go to the owner of a local store to contact Micheal, or a Venture Lieutenant.
I gotten 2 boons, one I gave away for good Mexican food and good company the other (oriental trait) I am yet to apply.
When I see people who have chosen not to make this a priority (and that in itself is fair, so don't get me wrong) and have not bothered to figure out ways to contribute, they are less likely to end up with boons. To me that is perfectly fair and when disgruntled people complain, I have little sympathy. They are asking for something for nothing.
If you want to guarentee yourself a boon, organize a game day. Don't give the excuse that it is too hard, because deciding that it is is also your choice.
Boons should be a reward, not a right.
And I love the idea of getting one for each GM star or every 100 games recorded or whatever.
Jiggy has some good ideas.
the current boon races (like the planetouched) should be opened up to the general public.
i have no problem with menagerie tables, Player characters are intended to be within the top human percentile anyway. that alone creates circus freaks.
is a table of planetouched any different from a table with an Elf, a Dwarf, a Gnome, a Half Orc, and a Tian Human? especially since a planetouched has the genetic possibility of appearing completely human to the untrained eye or at least having features that can be concealed.
in exchange we could have
Treat 2 cross class skills as if they were class skills
1 Bonus HP per level, this boon stacks with the toughness feat and similar effects
1 bonus Skill Point per level, this stacks with skilled and similar effects
+2 to 1 ability score of your choice, this bonus can not be placed in an ability score that your racial choice grants a bonus to. it may however be used to mitigate a racial penalty.
Start with 2 extra traits of your choice,
Gain a bonus feat of your choice (from a specific category), ignore the prerequisites involved.
you may elect to gain an alternate favored class bonus from a race different from your own.
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Maybe I agree if we did not have ARG coming out that we expected to buy but may not use content of unless we go to Cons. That is not fair to me and other people that this is not so possible I think.Boons should be a reward, not a right.+1
I've said since it was announced it would not be wide open for complete use on multiple occassions.
Did you buy Goblins of Golarion? It isnt available. How about the Gamemastery Guide? Most of it isn't legal.
As a very advanced notice, most or all of the Artifacts book coming out won't be legal for PFS either.
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Maybe I agree if we did not have ARG coming out that we expected to buy but may not use content of unless we go to Cons. That is not fair to me and other people that this is not so possible I think.Boons should be a reward, not a right.+1
And that is the problem. You think just because something is being released by the company that it should be legal for play. You believe you are entitled to play it, just cause you bought the book. But what isnt fair about it? You are paying for a physcial copy of the book. You receive a physical copy of the book.
Think of it this way: Mike and Mark are the GMs of a world-wide campaign. They deem what is legal for character generation and what is not. Several of the thigns in this book may be declared too powerful for the delicate balance they are trying to maintain. If this was a homegame, would you complain about how 'unfair' it is over and over and over (not that you personally are doing so repetitively, but that this topic comes up again and again), or would you accept the ruling, and design a character within the means of the campaign?
If you don't like the rules, and dont appreciate the effort that goes into keeping it as in balance as it is, then perhaps you would be better served to look into an Adventure Path and play/run a homegame. Then you can play/have players use a tiefling wizard with crafting feats and a gun or whatever other strange combo you want to come up with.
Edit: WTF is wrong with these boards? I've tried 4 different times to get my first and second paragraphs to have a space between them and they just wont do it. Very annoying. >:(
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You and your buddies can enjoy them too if you organize an event.
Gratz to you Nolen. But your life isnt mine and mine isnt yours. I dont have the flexibility of an art student, nor do my buddies stationed overseas in the military. Enjoy your boons though.
Not everyone can organize 15 tables. The place where I organize games is only capable of having four tables for one slot, which means 8 tables in one day. And I can't do multiple days do to the availability of the store on other days.
So for me it's not possible to have 15 tables, even if I had the player base. I'm sure many others are in the same boat.
I'm not too heart broken over not getting boons because I can't afford to travel, because frankly none of the race available interested me. But I would be a sad puppy if I lost out on a chance to play a Goblin.
You and your buddies can enjoy them too if you organize an event.
Gratz to you Nolen. But your life isnt mine and mine isnt yours. I dont have the flexibility of an art student, nor do my buddies stationed overseas in the military. Enjoy your boons though.Not everyone can organize 15 tables. The place where I organize games is only capable of having four tables for one slot, which means 8 tables in one day. And I can't do multiple days do to the availability of the store on other days.
So for me it's not possible to have 15 tables, even if I had the player base. I'm sure many others are in the same boat.
hell, the nearest comic store is quite a long drive for me. and they don't even support PFS. why the hell am i getting butthurt over boons i will never be able to get for an organized play group that is hundreds of miles away from home? but Jeff, i agree with most of what you said. it's not easy to organize 15 tables. and not everyone has a bunch of friends they can use to cheat the system.
i live in a low income city of churches and liquor stores. almost nobody has heard of RPGs, and a disproportionately huge portion are low income religious alcholics.
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I think I read this wrong because it seems to read that you think I am wrong to feel sad that a book I must pay40$. For will not be able to be used for more than 50% of the content unless I play at Cons and get boons. This makes me wrong because I want my money worth from a purchase? Maybe 40$ just mean more to then to you because I feel "entitled" to be able to fully enjoy my purchase.
And that is the problem. You think just because something is being released by the company that it should be legal for play. You believe you are entitled to play it, just cause you bought the book. But what isnt fair about it? You are paying for a physcial copy of the book. You receive a physical copy of the book.means of the campaign?(
i agree with this. if i have to spend 40 dollars plus tax on a book. i better be able to use pretty much whatever damn piece i want. 40 dollars is a lot of money. i'm not some rich CEO who can organize conventions whenever he wants a boon, spend hundreds of dollars on pathfinder books like an alcholoic guzzling beer, and be happy with partial use of the book.
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i agree with this. if i have to spend 40 dollars plus tax on a book. i better be able to use pretty much whatever damn piece i want. 40 dollars is a lot of money. i'm not some rich CEO who can organize conventions whenever he wants a boon, spend hundreds of dollars on pathfinder books like an alcholoic guzzling beer, and be happy with partial use of the book.I think I read this wrong because it seems to read that you think I am wrong to feel sad that a book I must pay40$. For will not be able to be used for more than 50% of the content unless I play at Cons and get boons. This makes me wrong because I want my money worth from a purchase? Maybe 40$ just mean more to then to you because I feel "entitled" to be able to fully enjoy my purchase.
And that is the problem. You think just because something is being released by the company that it should be legal for play. You believe you are entitled to play it, just cause you bought the book. But what isnt fair about it? You are paying for a physcial copy of the book. You receive a physical copy of the book.means of the campaign?(
You can use it. In a home game. PFS is not the only place to use material. If that were the case, why are there so many 3rd party publishers? I want to play a Spellslinger, but can't. And you know what? That is fine. Those are the rules of the campaign, live with em or don't. Every campaign has a structure, and it is possible PFS doesn't have the structure you want.
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i'm not some rich CEO who can organize conventions whenever he wants a boon, spend hundreds of dollars on pathfinder books like an alcholoic guzzling beer, and be happy with partial use of the book.
You know what, I've erased three different tries to post something to this and erased each one as being too snarky, too mean, or too long. So now I'll try to keep it short.
Nothing happens without someone making it happen, and that someone never makes it happen by saying "I can't".
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You can use it. In a home game. PFS is not the only place to use material. If that were the case, why are there so many 3rd party publishers? I want to play a Spellslinger, but can't. And you know what? That is fine. Those are the rules of the campaign, live with em or don't. Every campaign has a structure, and it is possible PFS doesn't have the structure you want.i agree with this. if i have to spend 40 dollars plus tax on a book. i better be able to use pretty much whatever damn piece i want. 40 dollars is a lot of money. i'm not some rich CEO who can organize conventions whenever he wants a boon, spend hundreds of dollars on pathfinder books like an alcholoic guzzling beer, and be happy with partial use of the book.I think I read this wrong because it seems to read that you think I am wrong to feel sad that a book I must pay40$. For will not be able to be used for more than 50% of the content unless I play at Cons and get boons. This makes me wrong because I want my money worth from a purchase? Maybe 40$ just mean more to then to you because I feel "entitled" to be able to fully enjoy my purchase.
And that is the problem. You think just because something is being released by the company that it should be legal for play. You believe you are entitled to play it, just cause you bought the book. But what isnt fair about it? You are paying for a physcial copy of the book. You receive a physical copy of the book.means of the campaign?(
It strikes me as kind of a corollary that if someone has highly restricted options for PFS, those opportunities for PFS which do exist are probably their only chance to play PFPRG at all.
I know that this is true about my current situation, and I can't be the only one. Saying "just play it in a home game" is not really a useful comment in this particular conversation.
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i'm not some rich CEO who can organize conventions whenever he wants a boon, spend hundreds of dollars on pathfinder books like an alcholoic guzzling beer, and be happy with partial use of the book.
Read my first post on this thread, about being dead broke and how I went going to cons, organizing events etc.
It doesn't take a rich CEO. It takes a will. Do what I did and read how. You can pick and choose what you buy. If ARG has little use for PFS play, don't buy it.
Also, organize and stop complaining. About too little room at stores; well, see about a conference room at a library (usually free or low cost) or a back room in a resturant. If your local store doesn't have PFS, talk to the owner and set it up yourself.
The only legitimate gripe I've seen is that there are places where the base of PFS players is lower than others. Perhaps something can be done for them.
Other than that, earn your boon.
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Yeah, here in Michigan I know of a group that has (what Dan, 4 tables now) at a grocery store. Another plays at a pub/bar/pool hall. I myself was looking at playing at a library. Don't think that game stores or home are the only place to play. Our own PFS group played in our local winery once. Be creative not negative. Think outside the box. I'm currently unemployed, I save a couple of dollars here and there and purchase pdfs of the books since they're cheaper. Those random dollars I saved also allowed me to go to a con this last spring.
And honestly, there are just as many online games that aren't pfs as those that are, if you look around, you're sure to find a game that allows everything pazio produces.
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We started with having an off week from our home game (one player could only make it every other week), and was just going to play PFS at home. Then Mandi kicked us out, she didn't want people and gaming happening "at home" every weekend. She wanted some weekends alone. Thus was born the search for a place outside of my home. Matt's place was a no go, Christian lived in a cramped apartment, and Mike lived too far away for us to bother. So, after some brainstorming we remembered the board gamers played at the local D&W Freshmart in their Cafe. It was big, largely unused, and no one really used it Saturday night.
First night, just the 4 of us. We were like this place is huge (in hindsight I could use more space), this would be awesome to host a PFS night. Invited some other loose acquaintances, some random guy showed up (Tony), and 3 sessions later we were running 2 full tables.
February we're running 3 tables, and I coordinated the local Gamer Convention. April (Marmalade Dog), we'd grown the player base enough to justify a VC position locally (I'll let you guess who got it). May we're running 4 tables and concerned about a 5th and 6th, running double slot days, and expanding to any available space we can find.
It all started with me being bored on an open Saturday, and having the strong desire for there to be a PFS session locally. It did not exist before a few strong supporters and I decided to set it up. I did all this too, when I thought a guy would beat me up for doing so. I have never organized play like this before last October. So, experience not required.
Oh, last note: I still run a Carrion Crown Campaign, where I allow things that aren't in PFS. Like crafting, and Changelings, and whatever shenanigans my players come up with, and 99% of the time we have a great time. We're on Book 3 heading into Act 3.