Guns and Natural Armor

[cranewings]

Im thinking of changing touch AC for guns to include Natural Armor, so that rhinos and dinosaurs aren't being shot automatically by revolvers.

In exchange, I might let guns add Wisdom to damage.

[Marthian]

What is the difference between natural armor and regular armor? Why wouldn't armor be included as well in touch?

Also, guns only target Touch AC within it's first range increment, you have to spend grit points to hit Touch at longer distances.

[loimprevisto]

What Marthian said. If your rules are allowing guns to punch through adamantine platemail, I'd feel a little cheated if the rhino got to shrug it off.

[cranewings]

That's true.

[beej67]

I have it on good authority that the best way to kill a rhino is not a sword. It's a gun.

[Coridan]

You could reduce their natural by a few points and then double their HP. In the rhino's case a ton of HP probably more accurately resembles its staying powet.

[Sherrickside]

With guns in my campaign if they trigger where it's touch, I use Natural Armor as somewhat of a DR depending on the situation

[cranewings]

beej67 wrote:

I have it on good authority that the best way to kill a rhino is not a sword. It's a gun.

Haha.

[Puma D. Murmelman]

In my campaign with a Gunslinger PC i'm going to test an alternate system for firearm attacks:

A gunslinger can substract his wisdom modifier from the enemy's combined natural and armor bonus if the target is within 30ft. (not depending on weapons range increment).

That grants a boost to hit on early levels and is still a viable bonus to attacks versus tougher monsters without treating them like a walking pudding.

[cranewings]

Puma D. Murmelman wrote:

In my campaign with a Gunslinger PC i'm going to test an alternate system for firearm attacks:

A gunslinger can substract his wisdom modifier from the enemy's combined natural and armor bonus if the target is within 30ft. (not depending on weapons range increment).

That grants a boost to hit on early levels and is still a viable bonus to attacks versus tougher monsters without treating them like a walking pudding.

This house rule would just be for the standard game. When I'm running with my personal house rules, I have a complete firearms section. In it, touch attacks still happen, though only certain weapons can go through steel (1880's technology). Natural Armor always applies. I greatly increased the modifiers for using cover, and allow firearms an additional +4 bonus to strike on a full attack if the shooter has not been attacked sense his last turn.