So, basicly, i`m running Carrion Crown atm and we hit kind of a rule problem. Our druid summoned a tiger against a Vilkacis, and as a response i chose to use its Bestial Possession ability on the tiger. The tiger failed its save, and basicly got magic jared.
My question is this:
Can the character that summoned the tiger still dismiss it while the Vilkacis possesses it?
I ruled that the Vilkacis got a will save to resist the dismiss btw, although the tiger would disappear when the summon spell had ended.
Sorry for bad grammar, real late atm :P
Ty for answers! :)
Yes, the spell can be dismissed at will. The tiger goes away whenever the caster wants.
A summoned creature is bound to do the caster's bidding. Summoned demons and devils will do as you ask whether they want to or not. Since this is not a compulsion effect and should work on mindless summoned creatures, one might argue that possessing a summoned creature isn't a very good idea. Congratulations, you're driving around a body that's bound to do the caster's bidding.
Yes, the spell can be dismissed at will. The tiger goes away whenever the caster wants.
A summoned creature is bound to do the caster's bidding. Summoned demons and devils will do as you ask whether they want to or not. Since this is not a compulsion effect and should work on mindless summoned creatures, one might argue that possessing a summoned creature isn't a very good idea. Congratulations, you're driving around a body that's bound to do the caster's bidding.
Thanks for a quick reply :)
So, even though the possessor takes over the creatures body, the caster can still control the creature? Sounds wrong in my mind at least...The dismissal part, fair enough :)
Anyone else has thoughts about this?
Yes, the spell can be dismissed at will. The tiger goes away whenever the caster wants.
A summoned creature is bound to do the caster's bidding. Summoned demons and devils will do as you ask whether they want to or not. Since this is not a compulsion effect and should work on mindless summoned creatures, one might argue that possessing a summoned creature isn't a very good idea. Congratulations, you're driving around a body that's bound to do the caster's bidding.
I disagree. While summoned creatures does serve you, there aren't anything tying that control to their bodies. The spell specifically demands that you can communicate your desires, which requires a certain recipient. If the body is possessed, it is effectively another creature, thus not subject to your control.
Whether or not it can be dismissed is unclear. I think the OP solution was a fine one. Make a save, or alternatively a contestet roll, and the problem is solved.
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Dismissal is not command to the summoned creature - it is ending of the spell, thus possession of summoned creature should not prevent dismissal: character might lost control over particular summon but the spell is still under his control. Only if the spell was stolen from him (I don't recall if there are active-spell-stealing effects in PF but there were somewhere in 3.5) then he could not dismiss the summoning.
I agree with Drejk, the creature is possessed but can be dismissed by the summoner. I would consider the body dead in order to know what becomes of the possessot.
I agree with Drejk, the creature is possessed but can be dismissed by the summoner. I would consider the body dead in order to know what becomes of the possessot.
With a RAW ruling, it seems possible to dismiss the summoned creature even though it is possessed.
The weird thing is that, as written, you could argue that you can dismiss a summoned creature eventhough someone else control it through control summoned creature.Personally, I think that the situation where a summoned creature is being possessed is so rare that it deserves something GM special to make it fun.
I does make me wonder, though. If the spell is dismissed, the creature returns to its home-plane. The possessing creature, being tied to his body until he actively leaves, is supposedly transported along with the creature. This makes for a wonderful death trap for those players who tend to abuse Magic Jar.
I agree with Drejk, the creature is possessed but can be dismissed by the summoner. I would consider the body dead in order to know what becomes of the possessot.
With a RAW ruling, it seems possible to dismiss the summoned creature even though it is possessed.
The weird thing is that, as written, you could argue that you can dismiss a summoned creature eventhough someone else control it through control summoned creature.Personally, I think that the situation where a summoned creature is being possessed is so rare that it deserves something GM special to make it fun.
I does make me wonder, though. If the spell is dismissed, the creature returns to its home-plane. The possessing creature, being tied to his body until he actively leaves, is supposedly transported along with the creature. This makes for a wonderful death trap for those players who tend to abuse Magic Jar.
This is a rare case indeed, so I used a lot of time to discuss it with the players :)
Aye, I also thought of the possibility of the possessor being transported with the creature, but I ended up ruling that out...But, nice to see a discussion on this topic, could we get an official ruling from the game creators? ;)
I would say based on the rules of dismissing spells that you could dismiss your own summoned creature if it were taken over...of course since its a standard action to dismiss it would have to fall on your own turn.
(D) Dismissible
If the duration line ends with “(D),” you can dismiss the spell at will. You must be within range of the spell's effect and must speak words of dismissal, which are usually a modified form of the spell's verbal component. If the spell has no verbal component, you can dismiss the effect with a gesture. Dismissing a spell is a standard action that does not provoke attacks of opportunity.