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I would argue that the possession contests the control. Similar to controlling constructs.

In this case once control is held the spell cannot be dismissed.
In the event that it is held by the summoner, then the person during the possession would be subject to commands.

just my thoughts.

I understand the printed rules for cave-ins and collapse. What I want to know is does it grant a condition?

The argument came about from a monster attempting to get out of a collapse I caused using a breath weapon. Since there is no condition and it does not specify that they are suffocating, just that they take non-lethal damage from an undefined source, the DM allowed the monster to attempt to escape via BW. Instead of the regular STR check.

It is my opinion that it should grant the helpless condition when pinned under a cave-in. Entangled, when they make the reflex and get the secondary damage. But I am not the DM for this campaign.