Throwing unwilling characters


Rules Questions

Liberty's Edge

I'm trying to put together a Barbarian that's partially inspired by this story:
http://pastebin.com/fvKbjrUU

I'd like to be able to lift people and creatures over my head and throw them as improvised weapons, but I can't seem to find any rules regarding this. Since I'm making this for society play, I'd rather confirm the existence of a hard and fast rule so such actions are treated consistently, or in the very least consistently allowed/disallowed.

Scarab Sages

If I remember correctly, you can throw any object weighing less than or equal to your maximum light load, with a range increment of 5 feet.
I don't know about throwing people though, you would probably need to pin them first.

Liberty's Edge

BurntCornMuffin wrote:

I'm trying to put together a Barbarian that's partially inspired by this story:

http://pastebin.com/fvKbjrUU

I'd like to be able to lift people and creatures over my head and throw them as improvised weapons, but I can't seem to find any rules regarding this. Since I'm making this for society play, I'd rather confirm the existence of a hard and fast rule so such actions are treated consistently, or in the very least consistently allowed/disallowed.

A good rule of thumb for organized play is that if a character concept would rely upon a ruling that you can't expect to get, it's probably better to not play that character in organized play. To the best of my knowledge, there is nothing that would allow you to consistently get the ruling you need for your concept. Unless you can bring an allowed rules source to the table that allows your concept, you won't get the ruling you need consistently. If you do come up with a chain of logic that suggests that you can do what you want, you will be likely to have rulings go against you and/or take away from table time trying to convince the GM that your chain of logic makes sense.

I'd suggest using your character concept in a home game and go with something else in organized play. If someone points out the rules source that makes your concept pullet proof (such as a PF version of the 3.5 feat Fling Enemy from Races of Stone or Savage Species), I'll happily change my suggestion. The fact that Fling Enemy exists in 3.5 implies that the concept is not possible under the PF core rules that are derived from the SRD, and would require a PF specific rule to accomplish.


If you want to do this in PFS, I think the only way would be this feat:

Improved Ki Throw

The name makes it sound like it is limited to monks, but it doesn't seem to be. The feat investment is pretty huge: Improved Trip, Improved Unarmed Strike, Ki Throw, Improved Bull Rush. But it can be done.


I don't know if this would help you but there is a barbarian rage ability that allows you to use any creature smaller then you as a melee weapon and you might be able to use them as a thrown weapon. Body Bludgeon is what it is called.


BurntCornMuffin wrote:

I'm trying to put together a Barbarian that's partially inspired by this story:

http://pastebin.com/fvKbjrUU

I'd like to be able to lift people and creatures over my head and throw them as improvised weapons, but I can't seem to find any rules regarding this. Since I'm making this for society play, I'd rather confirm the existence of a hard and fast rule so such actions are treated consistently, or in the very least consistently allowed/disallowed.

The Ki Throw line of feats is the only place I have seen rules laid out for this.

Edit: My post on Ki Throws leads to an encounter with the post ninja... how appropriate.


I *wish* a rule existed for this. Unfortunately the closest thing that exists are some rare abilities that remove the restriction on Bull Rush that makes you move with someone if you want to push them more than 5 feet.


Raef13 wrote:
I don't know if this would help you but there is a barbarian rage ability that allows you to use any creature smaller then you as a melee weapon and you might be able to use them as a thrown weapon. Body Bludgeon is what it is called.

Aha, that's a good catch. So, he could take Body Bludgeon rage power, allowing you to use a pinned or helpless opponent as an improvised weapon, which can be thrown with a 10' range increment. Then you could take the feat Throw Anything so you don't suffer the -4 attack penalty. You could additionally take the feat Catch Off-Guard so you could use the creature as a melee weapon without attack penalties.

Liberty's Edge

So, that seems to outline an approach that gets close, if not exactly, to what is desired, but wouldn't be possible until 10th level.


Well that makes sense cause it is a very epic sounding attack style. Just be a wrestler style or unarmed style Barbarian until level ten.

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