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okay, clamp may have had a huge imprint on my childhood, but i shouldn't be labeled a pedophile. i can think of many adult women i am attracted to.
megan fox
vanessa hudgens
michelle yoh
lucy liu
the actress that played that white haired witch in forbidden kingdom
amanda bynes
and this isn't the entire list. there are women over 18 that i like. some of them are even in my age range.
Just for the record - I never intended to give an 'open minded' argument. I just see a difference between pedophilia and Ephebophilia - mandatory psychology classes for my course of studies might have influenced my view on that (it helps differentiating between pathological disorders and behavior I might find disgusting), but in no way do want to defend the abuse of minors or describing those (even in fantasy) in public.
For those unaware:
Ephebophilia: sexual preference of adults for mid-to-late adolescents, generally ages 15 to 19.
Hebephilia: sexual preference of adults for earlier pubescent adolescents, generally ages 11 to 14.
Pedophilia: sexual preference of adults for prepubescent children, generally ages 4 to 10.
Nepiophilia: sexual preference of adults for toddlers and infants, generally ages 0 to 3.
But for the intent and purpose of this discussion, I'm going to assume that the majority of those describing pedophilia in general terms refer to the age of an individual where they are recognized as the age group less than those having the rights of an adult (which in the U.S., that age equals to the right to vote, which is 18).
Let's compare descriptions.
I'm betting that the edited character description (#2) would be sufficient by the majority versus the OP's original one (#1) as the edited one removes all essence of ephebophilia. Note that the collar reference was left intact.
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i do tend to go a little overboard with my descriptions. i gotta be careful about that. i'm not really good at simplyfiying.
bolded is my emphasis.
The problem that you have created for your is whether you need to be careful because a) you don't want to depicted as an alleged pedophile or because b) you don't want to be caught.
I assume you mean the former, but I suspect some people are going to think the latter.
In the short term, it's probably best to play roles . Play an ulfen raider. Or something else outside your comfort zone. If you want to play a young asian female again once in awhile, simply avoid all references to imply she could appear under the age of 18.
It's entirely up to you.
At this point, I've essentially drained the dead horse of all its glue.
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okay, clamp may have had a huge imprint on my childhood, but i shouldn't be labeled a pedophile. i can think of many adult women i am attracted to.
megan fox
vanessa hudgens
michelle yoh
lucy liu
the actress that played that white haired witch in forbidden kingdom
amanda bynesand this isn't the entire list. there are women over 18 that i like. some of them are even in my age range.
The more defensive you get, the worse it gets. Give it up. "I can think of many adult women I'm attracted to"? Implying you can also think of many non-adult women you're attracted to?
You have your little creepy fanclub here, stop trying with the rest of us who think you're creepy. Sanitizing your PbP back stories doesn't change the fact that we saw them. Your obsession with loli characters hasn't changed. Your over-sexualization of your characters hasn't changed.
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Maybe you need to grow up and fantasize about adult things.
i guess if there is one thing that reading clamp manga for more than half your life will do. it will delay your maturing process drastically.
plus i am already mentally delayed in several aspects.
paranoid schizophrenia and aspergers syndrome do horrible things to ones mental maturation process. especially when combined.
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Um, ok. So the fact that I've been watching, say, Rocky and Bullwinkle pretty much my whole life, playing D&D since I was nine and video games etc (a bunch of "kid" stuff) and still managed to mature at a normal rate means that reading Clamp (whatever that is) shouldn't have affected you. Unless you're saying that being a manga/anime fan is detrimental to mental maturation?
And, the other assertion isn't a defense for anything. I'll use the Kelsey example: if you're so socially maladjusted that you can't figure out why some people have a strong negative reaction to you, you need therapy, not acceptance on a messageboard.
I have to ask...what is CLAMP manga?
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Jess, when's the last time I felt sorry for anyone? ;-)You're supposed to feel sorry for him! ;)paranoid schizophrenia and aspergers syndrome do horrible things to ones mental maturation process. especially when combined.Oh, please.
Maybe for yourself when Silverhair forgot to wait at my place for a container of tortellini casserole leftovers?
Mmmmmmm!
:D
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Jess, when's the last time I felt sorry for anyone? ;-)You're supposed to feel sorry for him! ;)paranoid schizophrenia and aspergers syndrome do horrible things to ones mental maturation process. especially when combined.Oh, please.Maybe for yourself when Silverhair forgot to wait at my place for a container of tortellini casserole leftovers?
Mmmmmmm!
:D
He did WHAT?????
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paranoid schizophrenia
Oh, and were you actually diagnosed with this, and not just fishing for sympathy, you'd know you shouldn't be playing rpgs anyway.
And, I have a few friends with Asperger's, they're fully functional adults with no proclivities towards teenagers sexually, they just don't do social cues well and tend to be brilliant.
Stop making stuff up to excuse your weirdness.
I have to ask...what is CLAMP manga?
Don't feel bad; I had to look too.
CLAMP manga. EDIT: ninja'ed by Jess.
Graphic images of CLAMP manga (SFW Google STRICT Safe Search enabled)
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paranoid schizophreniaOh, and were you actually diagnosed with this, and not just fishing for sympathy, you'd know you shouldn't be playing rpgs anyway.
And, I have a few friends with Asperger's, they're fully functional adults with no proclivities towards teenagers sexually, they just don't do social cues well and tend to be brilliant.
Stop making stuff up to excuse your weirdness.
i was diagnosed with both around the time i was 8. i play RPGs anyway. combine those diagnoses with a childhood of clamp, an adolescence of nippon ichi software, and an adulthood of team shanghai alice.
Interesting observation on definition:
The OP: "CLAMP is a group of crazy twisted perverted female authors who channel thier sexual energies through thier manga works and disguise it as something child appropriate."
vs.
Jess Door: CLAMP is a team of artists and story writers. It's essentially a manga studio. They write shoujo manga (manga aimed at girls).
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Interesting observation on definition:
The OP: "CLAMP is a group of crazy twisted perverted female authors who channel thier sexual energies through thier manga works and disguise it as something child appropriate."
vs.
Jess Door: CLAMP is a team of artists and story writers. It's essentially a manga studio. They write shoujo manga (manga aimed at girls).
Telling, isn't it?
I have to ask...what is CLAMP manga?Don't feel bad; I had to look too.
CLAMP manga. EDIT: ninja'ed by Jess.
Graphic images of CLAMP manga (SFW Google STRICT Safe Search enabled)
I didn't read the full Wiki page (don't have the attention span to do more than skim it), but the google search seems tame enough (though I suppose it is in safe search). The CLAMP manga thing being brought up reminds me of how coworkers have gotten the idea that my (completely asexual) roommate is into teen-aged boys because he watched Black Butler, Ouran High School Host Club, and Princess Princess. Though I suppose Loveless didn't help. And Loveless seems far worse than anything I'm seeing about CLAMP.
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paranoid schizophreniaOh, and were you actually diagnosed with this, and not just fishing for sympathy, you'd know you shouldn't be playing rpgs anyway.
And, I have a few friends with Asperger's, they're fully functional adults with no proclivities towards teenagers sexually, they just don't do social cues well and tend to be brilliant.
Stop making stuff up to excuse your weirdness.
You know what, until you pulled the Asperger's card I was willing to try and not rag on you. Using Aspergers as an excuse pisses me the hell off. Flag this all you want to. I am sure it will go away soon. Being the father of a teenager with this, who is more mature and level headed than any post you have ever presented, I am personally offended. To prevent any use of Gary's banhammer I will hence forth ignore your existence. But I will be thinking very mean thoughts your way.
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i happen to be really inspired by clamp protagonists, most of them are young girls, but that doesn't mean i am into children. i'm actually completely asexual IRL.
i apologize for pulling the Aspergers card when i shouldn't have. even though i have it, it's clearly not an excuse for some of my characters.
i'm just not very mentally stable. and branding me a pedophile is one of my worst berserk buttons.
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He did WHAT?????
I know, it's tragic!
Interesting observation on definition:The OP: "CLAMP is a group of crazy twisted perverted female authors who channel thier sexual energies through thier manga works and disguise it as something child appropriate."
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Jess Door: CLAMP is a team of artists and story writers. It's essentially a manga studio. They write shoujo manga (manga aimed at girls).
I own a few of their comics in the original Japanese, and picked up some nice artbooks while I lived in Kagawa-ken as well. They publish a relatively wide range of stuff, from light children's fare to darker apocalypse stories with violent and sexually charged imagery. They are quite prolific and I haven't been into anime or manga much the last 6-7 years (mostly just want to finish collecting those series I already have), so I make no claim to familiarity with even a majority of their work.
The OP's definition tells me he either reads only the more mature stuff, or he reads a lot more into the stories than I ever did. Or maybe the English translations are really bad, I suppose...but I doubt that.
Their stories are kinda "meh" but I really like aspects of their art. About half of my manga are shoujo, and half are shonen (boy's comics).
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@ Crimson Jester: I understand how you feel. My nephew has Asperger's and it doesn't significantly hinder his maturity (granted, that is just from what I've seen) and seems a flimsy and offensive excuse for any behavior.
I was all ready to support Luminiere on the grounds that I honestly have no problem with any content I've seen from him (though I haven't gone digging into aliases; don't have the time nor effort) and mostly find the back and forth about accusations of him being a creepy pedophile and what not annoying. As a former victim of sexual abuse it bothers me when people are quick to jump to the idea that someone is a molester or abuser.
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@ Crimson Jester: I understand how you feel. My nephew has Asperger's and it doesn't significantly hinder his maturity (granted, that is just from what I've seen) and seems a flimsy and offensive excuse for any behavior.
I was all ready to support Luminiere on the grounds that I honestly have no problem with any content I've seen from him (though I haven't gone digging into aliases; don't have the time nor effort) and mostly find the back and forth about accusations of him being a creepy pedophile and what not annoying. As a former victim of sexual abuse it bothers me when people are quick to jump to the idea that someone is a molester or abuser.
Funny, most of the sexual child abuse victims I know are quick to jump on anything that smacks of inappropriateness. Hypersensitive to it, in fact.
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i happen to be really inspired by clamp protagonists, most of them are young girls, but that doesn't mean i am into children. i'm actually completely asexual IRL.
i apologize for pulling the Aspergers card when i shouldn't have. even though i have it, it's clearly not an excuse for some of my characters.
i'm just not very mentally stable. and branding me a pedophile is one of my worst berserk buttons.
I highly doubt you have Asperger's, mostly because I have a lot of experience with people who have it, and none are anything like you, maturity wise.
I also highly doubt you're a paranoid schizophrenic, unless your parents are the worst ever and your shrink needs his or her license pulled. I can't think of a psych professional worth their license who would encourage someone living in a fantasy world to play roleplaying games.
Funny, most of the sexual child abuse victims I know are quick to jump on anything that smacks of inappropriateness. Hypersensitive to it, in fact.@ Crimson Jester: I understand how you feel. My nephew has Asperger's and it doesn't significantly hinder his maturity (granted, that is just from what I've seen) and seems a flimsy and offensive excuse for any behavior.
I was all ready to support Luminiere on the grounds that I honestly have no problem with any content I've seen from him (though I haven't gone digging into aliases; don't have the time nor effort) and mostly find the back and forth about accusations of him being a creepy pedophile and what not annoying. As a former victim of sexual abuse it bothers me when people are quick to jump to the idea that someone is a molester or abuser.
*Shrugs*
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Yeah, because most child abuse victims are used to people not believing that Uncle Eddie would fondle little Jimmy. Most sexual abuse victims are used to being ignored. Most have zero sympathy for predators.
You must be an amazing person to not suffer what many do. Either that or you're just as full of it as Shizumi Pedobear.
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Funny, most of the sexual child abuse victims I know are quick to jump on anything that smacks of inappropriateness. Hypersensitive to it, in fact.@ Crimson Jester: I understand how you feel. My nephew has Asperger's and it doesn't significantly hinder his maturity (granted, that is just from what I've seen) and seems a flimsy and offensive excuse for any behavior.
I was all ready to support Luminiere on the grounds that I honestly have no problem with any content I've seen from him (though I haven't gone digging into aliases; don't have the time nor effort) and mostly find the back and forth about accusations of him being a creepy pedophile and what not annoying. As a former victim of sexual abuse it bothers me when people are quick to jump to the idea that someone is a molester or abuser.
*Shrugs*
Different experiences; different reactions.
would you prefer my true creepy fantasies
Or maybe just the I am into Pettankos?
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Well, the Paizo board mods seem to think being a creepy weirdo is something they want people to associate with their product. Guess Pathfinder isn't something I'll be sharing with my daughter any time soon, I definitely don't want her coming to these boards if people like this guy are allowed to post their carrot rape fantasies.
Yeah, because most child abuse victims are used to people not believing that Uncle Eddie would fondle little Jimmy. Most sexual abuse victims are used to being ignored. Most have zero sympathy for predators.
You must be an amazing person to not suffer what many do. Either that or you're just as full of it as Shizumi Pedobear.
You do know there are many different emotional responses trauma of all sorts, right, including sexual abuse? Sensitivity to touch, lack of trust in others, nightmares, and skittishness, among others. Not all victims suffer the same way or at the hands of people in similar situations; expecting them to, especially without being involved, is just ridiculous and offensive.
Well, the Paizo board mods seem to think being a creepy weirdo is something they want people to associate with their product. Guess Pathfinder isn't something I'll be sharing with my daughter any time soon, I definitely don't want her coming to these boards if people like this guy are allowed to post their carrot rape fantasies.
This is the second time that I've heard about this vegetable-sex-thing. Where is this stemming from? One of Luminere's aliases?
Well, all I know is that the OP is correct and that every work of fiction that I have ever read has mentioned the cup-size of the female protagonist's breasts. Some nonfiction, too.
It's not just the females. In In My Time, the author casually mentions his cup size two or three times a chapter. I thought the cover blurbs from other politicians about his "magnificent" boobs was a bit strange too.
{sets up lemonade stand to sell brain bleach mojitos}
I was more concerned about your complete lack of empathy for people who represent quite a few abused children.
I'm more concerned about actual abused children than fictionalized and/or imaginary imagery.
I just don't post that crap on here for a weak sympathy ploy.
And, frankly, you have NO IDEA what I went through in foster care, so, you know, eff off.
So, you know, 'eff off,' yourself.
