Regeneration (Ex)
A creature with this ability is difficult to kill. Creatures with regeneration heal damage at a fixed rate, as with fast healing, but they cannot die as long as their regeneration is still functioning (although creatures with regeneration still fall unconscious when their hit points are below 0). Certain attack forms, typically fire and acid, cause a creature’s regeneration to stop functioning on the round following the attack. During this round, the creature does not heal any damage and can die normally.
The creature’s descriptive text describes the types of damage that cause the regeneration to cease functioning. Attack forms that don’t deal hit point damage are not healed by regeneration. Regeneration also does not restore hit points lost from starvation, thirst, or suffocation. Regenerating creatures can regrow lost portions of their bodies and can reattach severed limbs or body parts if they are brought together within 1 hour of severing. Severed parts that are not reattached wither and die normally.
Their regen is turned off by those things but they can still be beheaded disarmed (cue rimshot) or otherwise black knighted it just doesn't kill them unless its one of those attacks. He can lose his head and put it back on if he wanted. Though the GM might rule that the body can't funtion without the head and someone else has to put it on. Note that if for some reason his head is off and he takes regen stoping damage every round for an hour he can't reattach and dies regardless of hp
The head can come OFF its just not lethal to him. The largest part tries to regrow back, so that would be the body trying to grow a new head, rather than the head trying to grow a new body. It can't see and may not be able to act at that point.
if a white dragon can be decapitated with a kukuri on a critical, an ogre mage can too! especially if one uses a critical hit deck.
The head can come OFF its just not lethal to him. The largest part tries to regrow back, so that would be the body trying to grow a new head, rather than the head trying to grow a new body. It can't see and may not be able to act at that point.
This.
If you are planning on cutting his head of with HP damage from a bladed weapon, it would only happen when you have reduced him to -con HP with the final blow landing from a called shot to the neck.
??Or some critical hit deck shenanigans??
Then, if you hit the body with 1hp fire or acid damage it would die, if you hit the head with 1hp fire or acid damage it would die. If the head and body are not killed then each will continue to regenerate for 1 hour.
Also my personal interpritation is that as soon as one part (head or body has regenerated enough to be at a HP score higher than 0 and regains consciousness then the other part dies regardless of no acid/fire.
He can be cut up into tiny pieces, but unless it's a burning, acidic or vorpal sword/scythe/cutting utensil, he won't die because he only takes non-lethal damage.
Which is why, if you don't have access to those items, you bury the remains or throw them in the sea!
The coup de grace part might come from a common misconception, most people think a coup de grace is decapitation. While it may be anything that would finish off an enemy, be it plunging a sword into it's heart(s), slitting the throat silently, decapitating, crushing their chest with a warhammer, and so on.
You can chop his head off, but unless it's specific weapon, it'll grow back, which is why you always carry a flask of oil, dip the sword in it, set it on fire, decapitate. THEN the coup de grace would kill him.
Firey weapon = coup de grace
non-firey = 'harmless' non-lethal damage decapitation.
it is not hp damage killing him, it is the fort save mandated by coup de grace, 10 plus damage dealt
You dont have to kill him with fire or acid or vorpal weapon, you just have to reduce him to a HP total that would kill a creature without regeneration (-con HP) then inflict any amount of fire damage, ie press a blazing torch against him and inflict 1HP fire damage.
That switches of his regeneration ability for 1 round and he dies from having -con HP.
There is no coming back from that with regen, better call a cleric.
it is not hp damage killing him, it is the fort save mandated by coup de grace, 10 plus damage dealt
Except creatures with regenerate "cannot die as long as their regeneration is still functioning."
So, even if they fail that save, they're not dead.
'Cause they can't die.
If they get decapitated by a Vorpal Sword, they're not dead
'Cause they CAN'T DIE.
@Other Steve
You'd be surprised how many players don't carry torches once they get an Everburning. Even after I dispel them with Darkness, they just buy a spare.
Oh god not the regen makes you immune to all versions of death arguement again.
In fact the more i think about it you would not even need to do fire damage to the body and the head, by RAW if you cut off his head, even a point of fire damage to his little finger would mean he is dead, his body is dead, his head is dead.
Where is the leathal to non leathal thing coming from?
In fact now that i think about it, Regeneration also does not restore hit points lost from starvation, thirst, or suffocation. So if you have no access to fire or acid, a simple rag down the throat, or even a dagger stuck in the throat would be enough to cause suffocation.
If you are reduced below 0HP and have no friends to help you and the combat is over, then you are dead, regen or not, your enemy is going to kill you one way or another.
Yes.
My PCs just fought an ogre mage and they cut off its head....and then to be extra sure, pureed the head, burned the body, scattered its ashes in the wind, and probably burned the pureed head and scattered its ashes separately.
They did away with that non-lethal business in PF. All damage is lethal, the troll just can't die while his regeneration is up.
You could still CDG for an auto-crit, the Troll just won't die. Once the troll is at -Con, however, even one point of fire or acid will shut off regen and kill it.
Also, as Pathfinder Steve pointed out, creatures can't regenerate from suffocation. So while the Troll wouldn't die, he'd be stuck at -1 hp until he could breathe again, potentially leaving him unconscious indefinitely.
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Where is the leathal to non leathal thing coming from?
That's how Regeneration used to work, back in 3.5. Link
They changed that in Pathfinder.
Oh god not the regen makes you immune to all versions of death arguement again.
LOL. I remember this one. If I had the link to the old thread I would just post it.
Let me see if i can dig it up
Edit been at this 20 mins almost through looking through July.
As before yes but it doesn't kill him.
Aha found it, also i spend way to much time on theses forums.
dito, doesn't kill, does work
as a GM I would overrule it sometimes, a vorpal sword should be so awesome that it should kill even some regenerations in my opinion, this would be a houserule however. It would kill an ogre mage for example but not the tarrasque.
Hey Wraith decided to reread that thread almost fell out of my chair laughing.
I did also.
Saying they(trolls) were immune to death effects despite monsters with regen specifically needing to have ways to not die from a death effect was hilarious.
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Yeah this just in Troll survives Wail of the Banshee unscathed. Tarrasque unconcious more at 11.