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Hey hey,
I was wondering if someone would look this over or play test one? Its based off of the other Avatar airbender d20, but with a few differences and converted to pathfinder.
It also incorporates the style feats from advanced combat, but with more options for the "benders"
Could ANYONE play test one of these?
Bueller...Bueller...
Thanks! Any input would be great.
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I agree with LazarX's post above. Definitely needs to be a 3/4 BAB class with d8 HD. As a balancing factor, I'd consider making the movement bonus a selectable Air ability, the AC bonus selectable for Water/Earth, and the Flurry a Fire option.
In all honesty though, I think you'd almost have to make four separate alternate monk classes to fit the bill, one for each bending discipline. I would think that a Firebender would have a higher BAB than an Airbender, but the Airbender would have a better dodge bonus for sure.
Also, while the apparently quality of the document online is rather poor (or so it appears to me), I imagine that your original is gorgeous. O_O; Amazing job with the pages and such.
Thanks for the compliment on the art, =) And yes - it looks a ton better in regular pdf vs. web based. If anyone would like, once I've finished tweakinbg it I can send the normal pdf.
Also thanks for the feedback. I guess I went with the d6 as I saw them as monks by training but sorcerers in ability. I didn't want the bender to be able to beat a monk in a toe to toe fight, unless he used his bending. In other words I didn't just want a monk with sorcerer abilities too. I kept thinking, yeah he is in melee but most bender's in the show always blast people at range.
I also toyed with the multitude of classes for the different elements, but figured you could keep same class structure and use the style feats to more define the air bender's defense or the fires increased offensive nature...instead of a whole new class structure.
Ack, I keep flip flopping. I really like your guys ideas! And i love this character concept, but so don't want so don't want to over power it. I still want players to want to play a monk too. Not make the bender a monk that bends...cause why ever play a normal monk?
I will definitly make the BAB change to 3/4...cause they should have the same "skill" ability as a normal monk.
Hmmm, what about raising their BAB, but putting Flurry of blows as a "style" feat that has to be selected? So its not just for free to help move it away from normal monk? Also maybe add the elemental fist as a feat as well. So its not free either. Hell, it could be a feat for benders to get a feat for the higher hit dice d6 to d8?
Here it is with the changes made....wish there was a way to protect the art as it uploads to goole doc's.
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This is a very good start, but it definitely needs to follow the basic Monk for saves, Base attack Bonus, Hit Die, and Flurry of Blows and the Damage Die for those. Given it doesn't receive anything other than feats for the Bending of choice, I don't see why you couldn't even add an extra attack if necessary, but this build was slightly too weak for what you are going for. However, I cannot wait for the final copy either, I rather like it all the same.
So really? If its a Monk with bending abilities...why would anyone ever play a normal monk? I do agree that his saves should be bumped up as well as the HD (He should be atleast as healthy as a bard, lol) but I don't think his unarmed damage should be raised as good as a monks. Else why ever play a monk again?
Thanks Lazar, Great ideas! I'm working on it tonight.
I did debate on setting level prereq's on some abilities, but since they are based on your chakra level feat anyways - its a not such a worry. Meaning, you might take a bending power that would seem to need a high level to do, but if you don't have a high chakra level - it won't matter anyways. If that makies sense. It would be like a mage being able to take fireball spell at first level. He could, but its still only going to do 1d6 per chakra level.
In regard to concentration check. I love that! Now I just need to figure out which should have that. =) definitly air scooter, like you said.
I also agree on your idea of the reduction of the movement, unless they are using there bending movements added in.
I'm still debating d6 or d8 for HD. Hmmm.
(I'll throw a new version up in a bit)
Ok, so I took them up to d8 - with justification that this is technically an archtype of monk.
bumped up the saves, BAB and flurry to monk. Not damage though...I still like that a normal monk can punch harder since he has trained in that and benders haven't.
Changed the name (Element Master is much better)
Movement is reduced, but not completely gone...and they can still augment with bending.
Added in concentration checks to abilities that can be maintained.
Love it! My dm will hate it. :-(
(he dont do homebrew)
Love it! My dm will hate it. :-(
(he dont do homebrew)
I can post it on d20srd.com lol so then its not homebrew! ha! Well, at least not your home. =P Glad you like it.
My next is to make the Avatar template...Anyone with any great ideas floating around?
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Avatar template...?
Many Lives (Ex): The Avatar can use any of the four elements.
Glow it Up (Su): Once per week, immediately after suffering some kind of massive physical or emotional trauma, the Avatar can enter the "Avatar State" for a number of minutes equal to his character level. While in the Avatar State, the Avatar acts as if under the effects of a haste spell and may use any bending technique, even those he does not know. The Avatar may also call on aid from creatures in the Spirit World, gaining evolutions as if he were an Eidolon of his character level [as a synthesist].
I made that up off the top of my head. And TBH, Glow it Up may be too weak.
Fly speeds and taking standard actions as immediate actions don't seem out of place from what I can tell, but at the point you reach Avatar State you are dangerously close to deity-level power. Not really something you can balance.
So I was thinking of adding into damage to powers either Wis bonus or Chr bonus. So - like water whip would be d6+chakra level + wis bonus. Sound good? or too much?
Was watching the series again and they show how "spirit" of the individual can affect the bending power...But not sure if its wis or chr thats your spirit. lol
The easy answer would be to use Wis since so much monk is built off it, but I think for balance chr would be cool as well. Any thoughts?
Ok, so with some playtesting, I found some people were getting confused with feats, style feats bending feats and so on. So to avoid the confusion - I created Element Kata's (or form's)
So a kata is given at each level and be used to take a kata (or bending power such as water whip) or chakra level (to power the water whip) or in place of a kata a style feat is allowed. But if a feat is allowed (like the ones every other level) you may not take a kata form in its place. Hope that makes sense?
Still not sure if I should allow wis bonus to damage to bending powers or chr?
Yeah, I agree. Everyone kept telling me keep it wisdom based, chr feels more to the "spirit" of the show. As well as it doesnt power up a classed already based on wisdom.
Yeah, if you're doing this for a setting specific game, balance is out the window; no need fussing over it.
As for the Wis/Cha thing: you could argue for either. The White Lotus seem to draw on both. Toph is all Charisma. Azula is definitely Charisma - she's totally struck on herself. The only two counter-examples I can really think of are Zuko and the Avatar. Zuko by the end of the series finds immense strength in his hard earned wisdom, and the Avatar is the collective wisdom of a thousand lives.
One might be inclined to allow a choice?
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Ok, added in some art work and cleaned up the text a bit. I also changed some phrases to avoid confusion and added into some powers the charisma bonus to damage. Hope you all like =)
So I figured I'd make a pordigy power for each element.
Fire: Lightning Mastery
Water: Blood Mastery
Air: Steal Air
Earth: Earth Crush
What level preq you guys think is appropriate? 5th? before you can try it and maybe a high concentration DC. Maybe with lightning if you fail the high DC concenration check it blows up in your face and you take damage?
Somewhere in the 10-12th range. pretty much at the capstone where most campaigns end. If you envision campaigns going on further, move that up to 15-18. These are all capstone powers, at the most maybe 1-5 people in the entire world should be manifesting those abilities.So I figured I'd make a pordigy power for each element.
Fire: Lightning Mastery
Water: Blood Mastery
Air: Steal Air
Earth: Earth CrushWhat level preq you guys think is appropriate? 5th? before you can try it and maybe a high concentration DC. Maybe with lightning if you fail the high DC concenration check it blows up in your face and you take damage?
I second the "10-12" and for "earth" have "metal mastery"
and instead for air, movement mastery. remember Aang is an Air master at a young age, and devoloped the air scoter. so air should get some truly awesome movement and dodge bounses
sorry to knock it but i think getting a kata every level is a bit much. look at the fighter they get something every level but not a bonus feat. which the kata is. and the bender also gets thier monk stuff on the side, it's just a little much.
for the avatar on the other hand, yes they should get a kata every level + an extra style mastery kata every 6 levels (6, 12, 16, 20) for free. (to simulate their training)
Hey sowde, Yeah it looks kinda outta balance, but so far with play testing its working pretty well. Remeber that your bending doesnt increase in its power like a mage at each level. The bender has to select chakra to gain strength in the kata's.
The kata each level allows a varied array of powers, but not very strong - since the player has chosen a kata instead of chakra at each level. Or I have another player that only has two kata's but more chakra and he still only does damage of a hyped mage at his level.
I might adjust it if I see it going skewed at higher levels though, also if you guys play test them and find its too much let me know.
I LOVE the metal mastery instead of earth crush! hot damn. And great idea with the air benders as well.
Also Lazar! great idea of no save if they f'it up! and with the end cap prereq!
(Thanks guys for so much help on this!)
I LOVE the metal mastery instead of earth crush! hot damn. And great idea with the air benders as well.
thing is i have no idea how to implement it.
lol yeah. This is what I've done for the Earth, Fire and Water guys so far. I basically made it the similar affect and damage so they all kinda are equal, but not sure how to create similar power for airbenders for defense (unless I do the steal breath thingy)
So for water and earth...basicallly a hold person that can also damage. It also allows earth to use the metal in all their other kata's and water to use blood in theirs. And fire to use electrical damage in place of fire and to create a huge stroke of lightning as well.
Metal Mastery: Prerequisite: This may only be taken at 13th level. You may manipulate metal in place of earth in your katas. You may also manipulate the metal that is used in armor and weapons. If an individual is wearing the armor, you can slow the targets movement to a standstill or even crush them in their suits. As a standard action you can cause a subject or their limb within 10’ times your chakra level to become paralyzed and freezes in place. It is aware and breathes normally but whatever part is in metal cannot take any actions for a number of rounds (1 round per chakra level). Each round on its turn, the subject may attempt a new saving throw (1d20 + Will + any magical bonus the metal might have vs. 11 + Chakra level) to end the effect. This is a full-round action that does not provoke attacks of opportunity. A winged creature that is in armor may be paralyzed and cannot flap its wings and falls. A swimmer can’t swim and may drown. A concentration check is needed each round at a DC 15, if in combat, attacks of opportunity still apply and if element master attacks while keeping the target held, the DC is increased by 10. This kata also allows to the master to ‘crush’ metal causing damage to a target at an extreme risk to the element master. To accomplish damage to the target, the master must make the a concentration check at (DC = 20 + the target’s Will save plus any magical bonus the metal might have) success allows the element master to damage the target 2d6 times chakra level plus charisma modifier, failure results in the element masters own iron in his body reacts taking half the damage (No save) and the inability to attempt this kata on the same target more than once a day.
Lightning Mastery: Prerequisite: This may only be taken at 13th level. You may use electrical damage in place of your fire damage in your fire katas. You may also create a stroke of lightning that involves separating the positive and negative energies of the element of fire, releasing a huge amount of power as they join suddenly together again. A fire element master can take a full-round action to complete a complicated series of motions to separate the two energies and releases the contained energy in the form of a lightning bolt dealing 2d6 electricity damage per chakra level plus charisma bonus to all in a line 10’ per chakra level. Additionally, lightning generated by is empowered, dealing half again (1.5 times) the amount of damage presented by the dice. The targets are allowed a Reflex save for half damage. This kata is an extreme risk to the element master. To accomplish the damage to the target, the master must make the a concentration check at (DC = 20 + the target’s Will save) success allows the element master to combine the energies, failure results in the element master exploding the energy in a ball of internal fire causing half the damage (No save) and the inability to attempt this kata on the same target more than once a day.
Blood Mastery: Prerequisite: This may only be taken at 13th level. You may use the blood of an individual (including yourself) if injured and openely bleeding as a source of water in your water katas. You may also slow the water contained in an individual and slow the targets movement to a standstill. Exceptionally dry creatures may be unaffected. As a standard action you can cause a subject within 10’ times your chakra level to become paralyzed and freezes in place. It is aware and breathes normally but cannot take any actions, even speech for a number of rounds (1 round per chakra level). Each round on its turn, the subject may attempt a new saving throw (1d20 + Will vs. 11 + Chakra level) to end the effect. This is a full-round action that does not provoke attacks of opportunity. A winged creature that is paralyzed cannot flap its wings and falls. A swimmer can’t swim and may drown. A concentration check is needed each round at a DC 15, if in combat, attacks of opportunity still apply and if element master attacks while keeping Bloodbend going the DC is increased by 10. This kata also allows to the master to ‘pull’ the water from the blood causing damage to the target at an extreme risk to the element master. To accomplish the damage to the target, the master must make the a concentration check at (DC = 20 + the target’s Will save) success allows the element master to damage the target 2d6 times chakra level plus charisma modifier, failure results in the element masters own blood taking half the damage (No save) and the inability to attempt this kata on the same target more than once a day.
Nice! I do tend to get wordy (says my wife)
In regard to the substit electric for fire damage - I figured it was the easiest way to give a new spin to it. Since 'blue' fire is stilll fire damage, just with the use of Intensify Kata, basically.
And the electric damage isnt anymore than the fire damage, just a different type I figured it would be level appropriate. Not actually totally true to theme, but thought by that level you could have taken energy admixture if you were a mage.
Recent update.
So here is a new update. Added child of earth and child of wind abilities to earth and air. To balance fire and water. Also added The Avatar.
Sweet. Im actually using a similar version for my current campaign... which we are in the midsts of changing from Forgotten Realms into Golarion.
"Faerun is in turmoil. The avatar of Tian Xia has been murdered and the balance of Toril has been sent spiraling out of the Deities’ control. The very fabric of the realms has begun a transformation and the Gods have felt a disruption in their portfolios and have sent out their Chosen to investigate. Rumors of “new” gods have been whispered across the lands and even the sightings of new land masses or islands that have seemingly sprung from the earth. Maps of the areas have also altered without contact, as if the lands had always existed and the people’s memory was all that is at fault. Oracles speak of some strange name, Golarion Convergence. Most believe the only one who can put the world back in balance is the next Avatar, The Jade Avatar"
w0ot, anyone else watching the new series? So far it seems pretty good.
I thought it didn't start 'til mid-April.
w0ot, here you go... the first is a trailer, the second video is episode 1 and 2 and third video is a trailer.
Official site: KorraNation.com