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Iblydos is apparently some sort of Greek-analogue island in the Obari ocean, but there isn't really any specific information on it, other than it's also connected with the ancient Giant empires as well.
like Notabot said, Taldor is somewhat like late Byzantium, otherwise,
i might consider Molthune, for a Roman military government...
...I suppose if you time-travelled back in Golarion to where Taldor hadn't split up into Cheliax and Taldor, that would be closer... as well, the period where Cheliax had split off, but wasn't Diabolist yet and was still united with Andoran.

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Eh, Taldor isn't somewhat like late Byzantium, its pretty much a carbon copy. Even tongued war was pretty much the Goth invasion time period, facing a powerful enemy on the east Taldor chose to ignore the western front and a new empire rose there and ate up former territories. The long and most likely losing war and lessening role in the greater world are also proof of this. Its climate, terrain and social structure is pretty much a copy too.
Oh, on page 11 of the Taldor guide they even use the word byzantine referring the titles of office. Senatoral class too.

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Eh, I see Cheliax more like the Spanish/Portuguese empires. Colonies and repressive society, hostility with the North African style nations and pirates, use of slaves in large quantity, control of both sides of the Gibraltar straits copy all lead to this conclusion. The founding of it is much different though.

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Cheliax and Taldor definitely seem to be based, in part, on the Western and Eastern Roman empire, respectively, particularly when you look at the sample Chelaxian and Taldane names in the campaign setting books. The Taldan names, for example, include Eudoxius (the name of a 4th century Arian bishop of Constantinople), Marcian (the name of a 5th century Byzantine emperor), and Stilicho (the name of a famous 4th century Eastern Roman magister militum). Somewhat perplexingly, the list also includes Theodoric, the distinctly germanic name of an Ostrogothic king, but this is a clear outlier on the name list.
The Chelaxian name list, for comparison, consists mostly of Roman praenomen (eg Manius, Valeria), or slightly modified permutations thereof (Grachius, Gruckalus, Pontia, etc). Furthermore, descriptions of Westcrown assign pseudo-Italian or Latin sounding names to various districts and institutions in the city (the city's temple district is called the Rego Sacero, for instance, while the city guard are called the dottari). Considering the importance of Westcrown as the former center of the church of Aroden and the largest city in Avistan (aside from Absalom, of course), not to mention the ruined former capital of the western empire of Cheliax, I'd say that it's a pretty good stand-in for Rome in either the early years of its decline or around the time of the Italian Renaissance.

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Geographically, Cheliax's position does resemble that of Spain more than Italy, not to mention its "new world" colonies and infamous inquisition, but I think it's important to remember that, with a few exceptions (Osirion being perhaps the most obvious), none of the countries in the Inner Sea Region correspond exactly with the real-world nations of Europe and Africa. Cheliax is a southwestern empire with a destinctly mediterranean style and culture, but I've seen it justifiably compared to Imperial Rome, 16th-Century Spain, pre-revolutionary France, and England during the social uphevals of the Reformation. I think it's safe to say that it draws from a variety of real-world inspirations, mixed with a liberal dose of fantasy devil-worship and general "evil empire" tropes.

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Cheliax, as I recall, has "legions," though I don't think we've really been told much about their military organization as a whole. The information we do have is almost all related to the Hellknights, who obviously don't fit the Roman mold. As far as I can tell, though, the knightly orders are more-or-less outside of the normal military chain of command, so who knows how the army is organized? Also, although they wear full plate and call themselves knights, some of the Hellknight officers (lictors and signifers, specifically) use Roman titles, so there's that.

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Cheliax is like if Western Rome (mostly) stuck together much longer,
and Taldor is as if Eastern Rome (Constantinople) contracted quicker. (at least relative to the West)
There isn't really any 'Greek' language to contrast with Taldoran/Roman or as precursor to Common in Taldor (that's where the Taldan/Common language came from, reverse of East/West Roman Empire), so that difference from Cheliax/Taldor isn't so relevant (unless Paizo ret-cons the Greek-analogue Iblydos to have had inluence in Eastern Inner Sea... but that doesn't change much because Chelaxian is just an accent of Taldan, not a different language like Roman vs. Greek).
I think Paizo has gone for some of those flavorings name-wise just in cognizace of Taldor's similarity in current situation to Byzantium, even if the in-game history doesn't really match that. There isn't even a German language group/people in the first place, so all such names aren't really connected to a specific group in the first place. Which is why I see the 'Common' (Taldan-Chelaxian) civilizations as adopting alot of 'generic' Western European Medeival Fantasy tropes not super relevant to the Roman Empire schtick.
But basically ALL the 'Common' speaking cultures, at least those that were Taldan-Chelaxian 'holdings' at one point (I think only Absalom wasn't a holding, but somewhat speaks Common along with Osirioni as it's main languages, along with Kelesh as a trade language) are all feasable as remnants of a Roman Empire analog... that extends all the way to the Baltic/Slavic north. Cheliax is the only remaining part that really has an Empire to speak of, itself somewhat reduced in size, and Taldor is the rump/core part of Eastern Empire. Like I said, 'time travelling' back to when the unified Taldan Empire at it's glory still existed may most fulfil the impulse to recreate the Roman Empire.