Archery: Why several rounds per second isnt unreasonable at level 20


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http://www.isegoria.net/2010/10/hun-archery/

This guy can fire 6 rounds in 10 seconds while riding a horse (and hits all the targets). He's a regular human being, so he can't be above level 5.

So its all in technique and training, which you can learn.

Was interesting to see such a rate of fire in a bow.


It was not the firing at a fast rate that was called into question. There are several videos on that. Doing it accurately using a bow with a strong draw in combat, and wearing armor, while being accurate was the issue.
Now since this is a fantasy game I don't see it as an issue. That ranger in Lord of the Rings was ridiculously quick and accurate, and he is no higher than level 8 in Pathfinder terms most likely.

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That was worth seeing... as for doing it with a stronger draw on the bow? They trained harder back then and it was definitely more of a survival necessity rather than a martial art. If a modern day hungarian is doing that with lets say a 40-50lb draw, then its definitely possible that a Hun, raised from childhood for war could execute the exact same speed and accuracy with a 60-80lb draw.


People were a lot weaker and smaller by comparison back then. I don't see them drawing that bow at 80 lbs consistently. Even in the past 30-50 years people have changed a lot.
You have guys close to 300 lbs running 4.5 or faster 40's. Even in the 70's most people that fast were under 220 lbs. The physical gifts are not even close, and even training only gets you so far.
In short it is not common, even among trained people.

What I think should be noted is that most soldiers even in PF are exceptional, and not average, just like today's athletes are not normal people.
The question of what normal person can do should be compared to what exceptional people can do.

PS:Of course if you have good aim you can shoot for the throat, as an example, instead of trying to punch through armor allowing you to use a weaker bow. I saw some dude on tv shoot a mannequin in both yes in about 5 seconds. I think it was that deadliest warrior show when they compare old(ancient) armies and/or generals.

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wraithstrike wrote:

People were a lot weaker and smaller by comparison back then. I don't see them drawing that bow at 80 lbs consistently. Even in the past 30-50 years people have changed a lot.

You have guys close to 300 lbs running 4.5 or faster 40's. Even in the 70's most people that fast were under 220 lbs. The physical gifts are not even close, and even training only gets you so far.
In short it is not common, even among trained people.

Other than the past 30 years (growth hormones in people who eat alot of beef) that "being smaller and weaker" has been mostly been attributed to malnourishment during growth from what I've heard.

If the huns weren't malnourished, I can see them bring quite strong and healthy.

And in the past 30 years, not everyone has been getting large amounts of the artificial growth hormones. Some are raised vegetarian, or don't eat alot of meat, or were raised on venison instead of cow/pork/chicken.


I was talking about the jump in athletic ability also, not just size. We have kids in high school that could compete in the Olympics of the 50's and 60's.

off-topic:I wonder how much of the growth hormones of animals affect people.

In any event I don't mind my fantasy stepping outside of realism. The minute someone takes that 10d6 fireball and lives realism is done anyway.


Agriculture actually stunted growth until very recent history. If a society was hunting for meat and maintained a high protein diet, the average height was higher than it is today (6'2" vs 6' or something like that). We are only now catching up to our hunting ancestry average heights.

You don't have to look much further than vikings with their primarily fish diet vs other regions grain regime to see the comparison in action.

But yeah, the OP is talking about 20th level, so the point is minor anyways.

Wasn't this topic hashed out quite thoroughly already?


yeah. :)

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