Does the Pale Stranger have too many attacks?


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The Exchange

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Looking at the Pale Stranger's stat block:

Pale Stranger:

Pale Stranger CR 10
XP 9,600
NE Medium undead
Init +9; Senses darkvision 60 ft.; Perception +22
Aura fear (10 ft., DC 21)

Defense
AC 25, touch 19, flat-footed 19 (+2 armor, +5 Dex, +1 dodge, +3 luck, +4 natural)
hp 127 (15d8+60)
Fort +9, Ref +10, Will +13
Defensive Abilities channel resistance +4; DR 10/bludgeoning and magic; Immune undead traits; SR 21

Offense
Speed 30 ft.
Ranged +1 pistols +15/+15/+10/+10/+5/+5 (1d8+1/19–20/×4)
Special Attacks pistols, stranger's shot

Statistics
Str 17, Dex 21, Con 10, Int 11, Wis 18, Cha 18
Base Atk +11; CMB +14; CMD 30

Feats Deadly Aim, Dodge, Improved Critical (pistol), Improved Initiative, Improved Two-Weapon Fighting, Point-Blank Shot, Precise Shot, Quick Draw, Two-Weapon Fighting

Skills Acrobatics +13, Climb +11, Intimidate +22, Perception +22, Ride +15, Stealth +13, Swim +8

Languages Common
SQ stranger's luck

Ecology
Environment any

Organization solitary
Treasure standard (leather armor, 2 pistols, other treasure)

Special Abilities
Pistols (Su) A pale stranger fights with two pistols. A pistol has a range increment of 20 feet and deals both bludgeoning and piercing damage. At a range of up to 20 feet, a pale stranger's pistol attacks resolve as touch attacks. While pistols normally consume bullets and black powder when fired, a pale stranger's pistols supernaturally reload the instant it fires them, allowing the undead to make multiple attacks in a round with the weapons. In addition, any pistol a pale stranger wields functions as a +1 pistol. A pale stranger does not provoke attacks of opportunity when it fires a pistol in melee, and treats pistols as light weapons for the purposes of determining penalties from two-weapon fighting.

Stranger's Luck (Su) A pale stranger gains a +3 luck bonus to AC and has no chance of misfire when using firearms.

Stranger's Shot (Ex) As a full-round action, a pale stranger can take careful aim with one of its firearms and take a single, ruinous shot. This single shot always resolves as a touch attack, regardless of the actual range. If the pale stranger threatens a critical hit with this shot, it automatically confirms the critical hit. Regardless of whether the shot is a critical hit or not, it deals +6d6 points of damage.

It looks like there is one too many off-hand attacks in there. I believe the full-attack should be +15/+15/+10/+10/+5.


Pathfinder Adventure Subscriber

Well, the thing is, he's getting 3 attacks with both guns. That doesn't' seem that off with me, especially since he has supernaturally loading weapons.

The Exchange

He does, but he's only got TWF and ITWF, giving him a second offhand attack, but not a third, which would require GTWF.


He also has one more feat than his HD should allow if i counted right.

The Exchange

I believe that may be due to being human prior to reanimation, although I have no actual bearing on that.

Dark Archive

I suppose they just forgot to give him greater two-weapon fighting. Take away one of his other feats and give him that. I don't understand needing quick draw personally, as an undead gunslinger has no real need of ever putting them away.

EDIT: Yeah, I figure the 9 feats despite only 15 hit dice is because he was a human prior to death and reanimation. It wouldn't really be ridiculous to give him one more feat so he can have his six attacks, as far as I'm concerned.


I figured drop presice shot since they are solitary anyways and wont be fighting with many allies in Melee.

Plus guns make that -4 kinda laughable.


He would need greater TWF, but even without it he still has 1 to many feats. I would just hand him GTWF as a bonus feat.

Dark Archive

Take away Quick Draw and Improved Critical, and make them special abilities added the same way any pistol he uses is a +1. Now there's room for GTWF.

The Exchange

This is actually just something I noticed when thinking about things I could make as a backup in an abnormal campaign. Everybody's undead, and I thought that, given bad luck, I might like to try a new creature as well as a new class, moving into gunslinger, of course.


Is the Pale Stranger just a gunslinger with some kind of template? It feels kind of useless to me that everyone who got buried wit their guns comes back level 10.


It is an actual monster. I think it should have been a template though.

The Exchange

I also think it should have been a template.

Not everyone who gets buried with their guns comes back, though. In fact, it's very seldom that one of these rises.


cranewings wrote:
Is the Pale Stranger just a gunslinger with some kind of template? It feels kind of useless to me that everyone who got buried wit their guns comes back level 10.

Or really useful in that case. Find a bunch of level one mooks, kill them, and then boom you have yourself a nice mid level army.

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