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3.5 had a feat that let you make a jump check duping a charge (and get additional damage).
Also class abilities of acrobatic charge (can make acrobatics checks to move around obstacles while chrging)
To me those instances would imply you cant normally make checks for acrobatics while charging.
But personally I'd either let it fly because of "rule of cool", or shoot it down as "hand of DM shows up, bad guy gets away"
The acrobatic charge ability is what I was going to bring up next. I personally think it is cool to jump the wall though, but if I change the rule for the cat I would change it for everyone or at least allow all quadrupeds to be able to do it. I enjoy consistency personally.
The caveat I would give to this statement (since I usually like consistency too), is I would give it (in the form of an acrobatic charge ability) to most predatory-carnivorous "hunting" type quadrupeds, who exhibit this sort of ability anyway, not necessarily ALL quadrupeds. Or put another way-- I'd give it to the snow leopard, and any other "big" cat the party runs into (for that matter, I'd give it to house cats too-- they're just not going to be able to do much damage with it), because cats in particular are known for making those kinds of leaping attacks (you can see it in a lot of wildlife shows presenting the final 'charge/strike' of leopards, tigers, lions, cheetahs, jaguars... etc. at the end of a successful 'stalk'). I could probably see it for wolves too (seen wolves make some pretty impressive leaps straight from the run-down when a pack is trying to bring down big prey like a moose, a bear, or an elk). Not coincidentally, my ex-gf's cat made such leaping, acrobatic attacks on toys, laser-pointer dots, and etc. all the time, that in game terms I'd be seriously tempted to call "charge/pounce".
Some animals can do this in RL-- those are the ones who should get it in game.
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These are my stats.Hey, I have pounce, grab, and rake! Pounce means I can full attack on a charge, grab means I get a free grapple if I bite him, and rake means I get two claw attacks on my next turn if I grapple him! All I need is a confirmation that I can jump while charging, and I will unleash a mountain of pain.That would mean you are a big cat instead of a small cat?
You have a Climb speed !!!
If I were the GM, I would say that anything that you can climb is not in fact hindering your movement (at least as long as you can climb it with a take 10 on your Climb roll).
Thus, charge all the way to the tree trunks, climb on them while still charging (I would say DC 10, so no real problem for your +11 climb bonus) and Pounce on your BBEG from the top of the tree trunks : full attack including Rake and at a +1 to hit for being on higher ground.
Also if its that simple charge through diffucult terrain and such whats the point in abilities that allow you to avoid them.
Look at Dragon Style which allows you to charge through diffucult terrain.
No-one is saying you can't jump during a charge its that you can't jump to avoid obstacles. You by RAW can't even start to charge if somethings in the way meaning you can never make that check.
Also if its that simple charge through diffucult terrain and such whats the point in abilities that allow you to avoid them.
Look at Dragon Style which allows you to charge through diffucult terrain.
The point being you still have to make the jump check or your whole turn is wasted. Also depending on how much difficult terrain there is jumping 30+ feet is no easy task (The DC is equal to the number of feet for a long jump).
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FYI: What you're trying to do is a class ability.
As a GM: I don't think it should need to be a class ability, and I give it to everyone for free, but as RAW, it's a class ability.
Pipedream the point is the rules for charge require you movement to be legal to even declare it. Meaning that you can't be sure you'll be clear of the terrain and thus you can't even declare your gonna charge to even have the chance to check if you can make the jump.
DH does it how i would let it happen its cool its fun and it makes sense but some DMs are super strict on rules and it won't fly in their games.
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Worth noting that I also give everyone Combat Expertise for free, and a few others.
I've also tried combat maneuvers that only provoke on a miss, and giving all characters the vital strike feats as soon as they qualify.
They encourage people to do cool tricks and such, without them having to dump tons of feats and become one-trick ponies.
Yar.
I disagree with the use of "Acrobatic Charge" class ability as proof that you normally can't jump while charging. That abilities allows you to move through difficult terrain and still be able to charge. That means you are still slowed by it but can still charge. You are not leaping over it, you are plowing through it.
"Depending on the circumstance, she may still need to make appropriate checks to successfully move over the terrain."
Such as moving over ice to not slip and fall (acrobatics to balance), moving over a thin plank or a tight rope (acrobatics for balance), running over a steep incline (climb), etc. You will be slowed by the difficult terrain, but this ability allows you to maintain a charge despite being slowed.
Jumping over it (and thus not being slowed by it) is something different. Similar, kinda, but definitely not the same.
I also have to wonder about the post by JJ that was marked as "Staff response: no reply required." Doesn't that mean that the rules guys also looked at this and said "We agree. Mark that psot as such. There is no need to make an errata of FAQ about this as we feel this response is adequate for this situation. aka: there will never be a FAQ on this, as it's been dealt with and marked as such." ?
Or did I miss an update where it was said that questiones marked for FAQ that are later marked as "Staff response: no reply required" don't actually mean anything?
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So it doesn't agree with you so it doesn't count?That is not a statement of support. I had the same thing said about a statement I made, but without a clarification saying I was right I don't think I can expect anyone to just go along with what I said.Wrong. James Jacobs has said jumping as part of movement to charge is fine.You can not jump the fence on a charge, not legally anyway.
edit:there is a feat that might allow it though.
The book disagrees. James does not trump the book. Only Jason and Sean do.
PS: I am Wraithstrike also. I just forgot to switch aliases. I don't want anyone to think I am posting as two different people.
Please follow the link and notice that James post is marked for FAQ.
"Staff Response: No reply required."That is clearly not what I said. I am saying that statement that was given to threads that myself, and James was in, is not a statement of confirmation or denial.
If it is a message of confirmation then the devs should say so that when it appears, and I have seen it several times, that people at least have clear answer one way or the other. Every time that answer is used nobody ever really knows who was right.PS: How did you get answer from the bolded section from my previous post?
Do you have a link to that other post or others marked as no reply necessary? If it doesn't mean no response is required, then why mark it at all? It just seems to me to be pretty solid evidence, and your trump amounts to what came off as "Nuh-uh, that doesn't count." I came off a little blunter than intended, but it was how I perceived the message of the post.