"On another note, all happy claymation christmas messages are also prohibited. Oh, and that Dr. Seuss f@&+er, too."
Spreading cheer is obviously anti-communist, and should be destroyed.
It's true, I heard about in the news.
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South Korea neddlessly provokes North Korea with tower of lights near border?
Same story, different schtick.
Interesting how the OP has raised the lingustic stakes with 'threatens', a few more 'chinese-whispers' and it'll be Nuclear Winter.
An important story and a non-story all at once: poor North Koreans.
South Korea neddlessly provokes North Korea with tower of lights near border?
Same story, different schtick.
Interesting how the OP has raised the lingustic stakes with 'threatens', a few more 'chinese-whispers' and it'll be Nuclear Winter.
An important story and a non-story all at once: poor North Koreans.
North Korea shouldn't be taking it as provocation. They are lights. Not only that, but they have no right to complain about South Koreans lights after sinking a South Korean warship and shelling South Korean citizens. In the last couple years, they've murdered at least 60 South Korean citizens.
Plus, what is North Korea's warning of "unexpected consequences" if not a threat?
As for China, I'm willing to bet they'll stay neutral if this one comes to blows.
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South Korea neddlessly provokes North Korea with tower of lights near border?
Same story, different schtick.
Interesting how the OP has raised the lingustic stakes with 'threatens', a few more 'chinese-whispers' and it'll be Nuclear Winter.
An important story and a non-story all at once: poor North Koreans.
North Korea shouldn't be taking it as provocation. They are lights. Not only that, but they have no right to complain about South Koreans lights after sinking a South Korean warship and shelling South Korean citizens. In the last couple years, they've murdered at least 60 South Korean citizens.
Plus, what is North Korea's warning of "unexpected consequences" if not a threat?
As for China, I'm willing to bet they'll stay neutral if this one comes to blows.
'Chinese whispers' is the only name I know for the game where you whisper an idea around a campfire and see how it has changed by the end of the line. Anyway...
Regardless of what you or I think North Korea should do, I think we should grant the South Korean government a modicum of intelligence.
If you have a crazy dog and you leave a child alone with it, you don't only blame the dog for being crazy.
You're absolutely right to imply that North Korea has a terrible government, the things they have done to their own people are even more terrible than the sporadic killing of South Koreans.
South Korea also need to be reasonable: they took down the tower because it caused tensions, then they put it up again? That's not common sense, it's political manipulation: they're goading the North.
My point? This situation, like most political situations, is never going to be as simple as: "Those pesky North Koreans are spoiling it for everyone" [/shakes fist].
To be honest, the political situation is probably so Machiavelian (sp?) and strange that we can't pretend to know the ins and outs. Perhaps the South Korean government has made a good move, or perhaps it has made a bad one... I have no idea and I doubt most of us could.
It's complicated and Crash, bang, wallop! Oh, what a crazy lot those commies are! is an unhelpful way to explore the issue.
South Korea neddlessly provokes North Korea with tower of lights near border?
Same story, different schtick.
Interesting how the OP has raised the lingustic stakes with 'threatens', a few more 'chinese-whispers' and it'll be Nuclear Winter.
An important story and a non-story all at once: poor North Koreans.
North Korea shouldn't be taking it as provocation. They are lights. Not only that, but they have no right to complain about South Koreans lights after sinking a South Korean warship and shelling South Korean citizens. In the last couple years, they've murdered at least 60 South Korean citizens.
Plus, what is North Korea's warning of "unexpected consequences" if not a threat?
As for China, I'm willing to bet they'll stay neutral if this one comes to blows.
China would happily keep supporting the nut jobs in NK as long as it irritates/embarrasses the USA.
China would happily keep supporting the nut jobs in NK as long as it irritates/embarrasses the USA.South Korea neddlessly provokes North Korea with tower of lights near border?
Same story, different schtick.
Interesting how the OP has raised the lingustic stakes with 'threatens', a few more 'chinese-whispers' and it'll be Nuclear Winter.
An important story and a non-story all at once: poor North Koreans.
North Korea shouldn't be taking it as provocation. They are lights. Not only that, but they have no right to complain about South Koreans lights after sinking a South Korean warship and shelling South Korean citizens. In the last couple years, they've murdered at least 60 South Korean citizens.
Plus, what is North Korea's warning of "unexpected consequences" if not a threat?
As for China, I'm willing to bet they'll stay neutral if this one comes to blows.
Not to the point of a shooting war. I don't think China wants to fight us. We're too critical a trading partner.
"Those pesky North Koreans are spoiling it for everyone" [/shakes fist].
To be honest, the political situation is probably so Machiavelian (sp?) and strange that we can't pretend to know the ins and outs. Perhaps the South Korean government has made a good move, or...
We call that game Chinese whispers in Australia as well....
You are right GE - characterising your opponent as crazy - primitive, crazy - religious nutters or crazy stupid is a good way to get stuck fighting a couple of wars that costs thousands of talented young lives, billions of dollars, pushes your country into a financial crisis, deepens the divisions between rich and poor and fractures the cohesiveness of the country overall.
The last Korean war was a draw.... and the scale of potential devastation if something were to kick off this time around would be world shattering.
The best thing to do is to be on your guard, dont start anything but be ready to finish it if it does happen,
The people I feel most sorry for is you average North Korean citizen, they are starving, cold and have no hope.
the north is just jealous that the south has electricity.
The US may be world conquering imperialists, but we tend to leave behind some nice stuff
Not to the point of a shooting war. I don't think China wants to fight us. We're too critical a trading partner.China would happily keep supporting the nut jobs in NK as long as it irritates/embarrasses the USA.South Korea neddlessly provokes North Korea with tower of lights near border?
Same story, different schtick.
Interesting how the OP has raised the lingustic stakes with 'threatens', a few more 'chinese-whispers' and it'll be Nuclear Winter.
An important story and a non-story all at once: poor North Koreans.
North Korea shouldn't be taking it as provocation. They are lights. Not only that, but they have no right to complain about South Koreans lights after sinking a South Korean warship and shelling South Korean citizens. In the last couple years, they've murdered at least 60 South Korean citizens.
Plus, what is North Korea's warning of "unexpected consequences" if not a threat?
As for China, I'm willing to bet they'll stay neutral if this one comes to blows.
Your half right.
China is getting our money to manufacture most of our materialistic goods.So if war does come, China has Cash and can build stuff.
While we have less cash and a crippled manufacturing sector due to the cheap outsourcing, because some companies chose save a few dollars.
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the north is just jealous that the south has electricity.
The US may be world conquering imperialists, but we tend to leave behind some nice stuff
Hey, be fair to South Koreans. Aren't they some of the most succesful business-people of the last century?
And be fair to the North Koreans, they're just trying to protect the environment...
Not to the point of a shooting war. I don't think China wants to fight us. We're too critical a trading partner.China would happily keep supporting the nut jobs in NK as long as it irritates/embarrasses the USA.South Korea neddlessly provokes North Korea with tower of lights near border?
Same story, different schtick.
Interesting how the OP has raised the lingustic stakes with 'threatens', a few more 'chinese-whispers' and it'll be Nuclear Winter.
An important story and a non-story all at once: poor North Koreans.
North Korea shouldn't be taking it as provocation. They are lights. Not only that, but they have no right to complain about South Koreans lights after sinking a South Korean warship and shelling South Korean citizens. In the last couple years, they've murdered at least 60 South Korean citizens.
Plus, what is North Korea's warning of "unexpected consequences" if not a threat?
As for China, I'm willing to bet they'll stay neutral if this one comes to blows.
Your half right.
China is getting our money to manufacture most of our materialistic goods.
So if war does come, China has Cash and can build stuff.
While we have less cash and a crippled manufacturing sector due to the cheap outsourcing, because some companies chose save a few dollars.
Except companies can relocate to other third world countries. China can't do that.
"Those pesky North Koreans are spoiling it for everyone" [/shakes fist].
To be honest, the political situation is probably so Machiavelian (sp?) and strange that we can't pretend to know the ins and outs. Perhaps the South Korean government has made a good move, or...
We call that game Chinese whispers in Australia as well....
You are right GE - characterising your opponent as crazy - primitive, crazy - religious nutters or crazy stupid is a good way to get stuck fighting a couple of wars that costs thousands of talented young lives, billions of dollars, pushes your country into a financial crisis, deepens the divisions between rich and poor and fractures the cohesiveness of the country overall.
The last Korean war was a draw.... and the scale of potential devastation if something were to kick off this time around would be world shattering.
The best thing to do is to be on your guard, dont start anything but be ready to finish it if it does happen,
The people I feel most sorry for is you average North Korean citizen, they are starving, cold and have no hope.
America doesn't need to get involved. Unless China gets involved, which I doubt, South Korea can take North Korea by itself. The disparity between their militaries and supporting economies is too much for the North to handle. Personally, I feel that North Korea's murders of South Korean citizens need to stop. The South needs to warn them that if it continues, there will be a war. They should not allow the North to get away with firing upon and killing their people. War isn't a good thing, but neither is tolerating repeated attacks.
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Holy-moley!
The situation on the Korean border may be complex but, no worries, at least the relationship between the US and China is the kind of simple thing which can be explained in a few lines.
International trade is incredibly complex and inter-related, economics reflects fluid and developing situations all over the world.
And...
Oh, sod it.
If you can't beat 'em, join 'em!
My pension is getting more expensive because some bozo on Wall Street decided to make a quick buck and buy a Ferrari!
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America doesn't need to get involved. Unless China gets involved, which I doubt, South Korea can take North Korea by itself. The disparity between their militaries and supporting economies is too much for the North to handle. Personally, I feel that North Korea's murders of South Korean citizens need to stop. The South needs to warn them that if it continues, there will be a war. They should not allow the North to get away with firing upon and killing their people. War isn't a good thing, but neither is tolerating repeated attacks."Those pesky North Koreans are spoiling it for everyone" [/shakes fist].
To be honest, the political situation is probably so Machiavelian (sp?) and strange that we can't pretend to know the ins and outs. Perhaps the South Korean government has made a good move, or...
We call that game Chinese whispers in Australia as well....
You are right GE - characterising your opponent as crazy - primitive, crazy - religious nutters or crazy stupid is a good way to get stuck fighting a couple of wars that costs thousands of talented young lives, billions of dollars, pushes your country into a financial crisis, deepens the divisions between rich and poor and fractures the cohesiveness of the country overall.
The last Korean war was a draw.... and the scale of potential devastation if something were to kick off this time around would be world shattering.
The best thing to do is to be on your guard, dont start anything but be ready to finish it if it does happen,
The people I feel most sorry for is you average North Korean citizen, they are starving, cold and have no hope.
Hey didn't those attacks happen after that thing, and during that other thing, which was precipitated by that other thing that was influenced by those other things and and and Oh My God Maybe Things Are Not Quite So Simple As All That!
Did you notice how violence between North and South escalated after a conservative government in the south took a harder stance? And how that harder stance was part of a international response to the NK nuclear testing? And how NK nuclear testing is driven by many factors, including a desire for security from international military intervention.
And did you notice how my above paragraph was a gross over-simplification of a complex political situation?
It doesn't matter that the South got harder on them over the nukes. The South wasn't shooting at them, so the North had no right to.
In doesn't matter how complex the situation is. North Korea repeatedly makes violent attacks in response to nonviolent actions by others, and South Korea should shoot back next time it happens.
It doesn't matter that the South got harder on them over the nukes. The South wasn't shooting at them, so the North had no right to.
In doesn't matter how complex the situation is. North Korea repeatedly makes violent attacks in response to nonviolent actions by others, and South Korea should shoot back next time it happens.
If it comes to open war, North Korea has artillery that targets Seoul. South Korea might well win, but the cost would huge in civilian casualties. Much of the damage could happen in the first minutes or hours of any war.
Overreacting to border flare-ups is not in South Korea's interests.
I'm not saying war is good or that South Korea should wipe out North Korea right now, but the fact is that North Korea is shooting at South Korean targets without being fired upon first and killing South Korean citizens. That is inexcusable, and if North Korea continues to do it, it should be taken as an act of war. Peace is good, and I'd rather war be averted, but there should be a limit as to just how much is tolerated from North Korea, and killing South Korean citizens should be seen as exceeding it.
Kelsey - the US has thousands of soldiers stationed in South Korea. They would be the first targets in anything serious that the North does. The South Koreans and the US are bound by mutual defence treaties so the US is auto involved if anything happens.
I don't think the US can afford another war at this time. The South does not sit by and take it, they have other overt and covert forms of retaliation other than going for their guns.
It is in the best interests of SK to appear to be the victim so that if everything goes pear shaped then when they totally f##~ NKs s+&+ up in response to something massive China can't say boo.
Before yo say let the SK's go there own way what did they ever do for us - we saved their asses in 27 world wars..... Have a chat with the SK veterans of the Vietnam war or any other war that US has asked for their help and they have willingly given. That topped with the fact that they strongly promote and project US policy in the region prevents China from achieving hegemony over other smaller nations in the region.
They are far more valuable as a working ally than a smouldering irradiated ruin.
INB4 Fox News complains about North Korea's War on Xmas.
That is inexcusable, and if North Korea continues to do it, it should be taken as an act of war.Technically, there was never any peace treaty, just a cease fire and armistice. Just saying.
I believe by the same token Japan and Russia are still at war.
Those sorts of things fascinate me.
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South Korea is not interested in another war with North Korea. The average South Korean is happy with the status quo and they go on with life as usual.
North Korean makes noises to remind South Korea and the USA that it still exists. This does not mean the peninsula is going to erupt into war. The North Korean buffer zone is also important for China geo-politically.
The 8th Dwarf is right. Also, South Korea is becoming a very important economic partner with Australia. The country is also an important global citizen as well. Especially in a region where America needs friends.
South Korea is not interested in another war with North Korea. The average South Korean is happy with the status quo and they go on with life as usual.
I think they'd love to, but the people in charge there know it would start a genuine s@!*storm which would ultimately lead to their demise.
Why do you imagine there's so much saber rattling?
'Chinese whispers' is the only name I know for the game where you whisper an idea around a campfire and see how it has changed by the end of the line. Anyway...
I believe that game is called "Rumors" and/or "Telephone" in about 90% of the civilized world.
Personally, I think crazy people are fun to watch and listen to, as long as they don't have guns. Unfortunately, the North Koreans have guns and don't know better than to use them.
I think the South Koreans want to avoid war. Why do you think the South Korean government tries to keep the region stable.
Derp. I thought you were saying NK didn't want war with SK. That'll teach me to forum while watching Seinfeld.
What better thing than to look at the stars do North Koreans have to do at night? Light pollution is a problem. I would rather have it be a light up zon zon.
Except companies can relocate to other third world countries. China can't do that.Not to the point of a shooting war. I don't think China wants to fight us. We're too critical a trading partner.China would happily keep supporting the nut jobs in NK as long as it irritates/embarrasses the USA.South Korea neddlessly provokes North Korea with tower of lights near border?
Same story, different schtick.
Interesting how the OP has raised the lingustic stakes with 'threatens', a few more 'chinese-whispers' and it'll be Nuclear Winter.
An important story and a non-story all at once: poor North Koreans.
North Korea shouldn't be taking it as provocation. They are lights. Not only that, but they have no right to complain about South Koreans lights after sinking a South Korean warship and shelling South Korean citizens. In the last couple years, they've murdered at least 60 South Korean citizens.
Plus, what is North Korea's warning of "unexpected consequences" if not a threat?
As for China, I'm willing to bet they'll stay neutral if this one comes to blows.
Your half right.
China is getting our money to manufacture most of our materialistic goods.
So if war does come, China has Cash and can build stuff.
While we have less cash and a crippled manufacturing sector due to the cheap outsourcing, because some companies chose save a few dollars.
China will never directly declare war on the US but it will gladly fight the US using N. Korea as proxy.
China will never directly declare war on the US but it will gladly fight the US using N. Korea as proxy.
I think of it as an economic cold war between US and China.
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China: We declare war on you!
USA : WhooOO hooo! our debt to you is null and void. That will more than pay for our cia operatives to overthrow your government and install a friendly replacement from within who won't turn on us for say.. 20 years.
China... well crap.
China: We declare war on you!
USA : WhooOO hooo! our debt to you is null and void. That will more than pay for our cia operatives to overthrow your government and install a friendly replacement from within who won't turn on us for say.. 20 years.
China... well crap.
That made my day.
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I think the South Koreans want to avoid war. Why do you think the South Korean government tries to keep the region stable.Derp. I thought you were saying NK didn't want war with SK. That'll teach me to forum while watching Seinfeld.
LOL! It is Seinfeld! I cannot blame you for dividing your attention... :)
If only it would be so easy...China: We declare war on you!
USA : WhooOO hooo! our debt to you is null and void. That will more than pay for our cia operatives to overthrow your government and install a friendly replacement from within who won't turn on us for say.. 20 years.
China... well crap.
It's much easier for China to dominate the US economically than go to war. The irony is that the "communists" have the capitalists hoisted by their own petard.
NK is valuable to China in the state it is - Its unpredictable enough to destablise the region and keep potential foes distracted. When they get too crazy China pulls in the leash.
I will expect the the Chinese to take advantage of any low level conflicts to test tech and tactics just like the US and USSR did.
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Back to the original topic:
As an employee of the United Parcel Service who hates Christmas and the Chairman of the Commonwealth Party of Galt (M-L), I can only applaud North Korea's revolutionary fervor and willingness to start a global thermonuclear war over "a holiday tree." It just resonates with imagery, don't you think? Sort of between Dr. Strangelove and The Day of the Locust.
Kind of zany, I know, but I've always fancied myself an aesthete.
Vive le Galt!
-I live in China...I had almost 50% of my students complain about their government to me. No. I didn't ask, I said they had to choose 1 major news story...they mentioned school bus crashes, food poisioning, Yue Yue, and the best of all, the daughter of president of the chinese Red Cross, posting pictures of her in a $500,000 super car, and her collection of LV hand bags. Might explain why Chinese stopped giving to the Red Cross.
-The Chinese government is at the point where their rich people flee the country, after stealing everything they can. The poor people are all dying of cancer, and food poisioning, and tranist accidents.
-Did you know Chinese drivers speed UP at school and university crosswalks?
-I live in China...I had almost 50% of my students complain about their government to me. No. I didn't ask, I said they had to choose 1 major news story...they mentioned school bus crashes, food poisioning, Yue Yue, and the best of all, the daughter of president of the chinese Red Cross, posting pictures of her in a $500,000 super car, and her collection of LV hand bags. Might explain why Chinese stopped giving to the Red Cross.
-The Chinese government is at the point where their rich people flee the country, after stealing everything they can. The poor people are all dying of cancer, and food poisioning, and tranist accidents.
-Did you know Chinese drivers speed UP at school and university crosswalks?
I read last month of a recent incident in China where a toddler girl was run over a car right in front a surveillance camera. The driver stopped, saw that she was still alive, climbed back in his car and ran over here a second time in reverse, then a third time.
Other cars didn't stop either. Strollers did nothing, until ONE guy did retrieve the little girl on the road, who soon died on her way to the hospital.
The first driver was arrested. He thought that being responsible for a dead girl would cost him less that a permanently disabled one; the following ones were afraid that by taking care of her, they could be held accountable.
The video went straight to Internet and apparently made some sensation in China (on the theme, "cultural revolution robbed us of our morals").
They seem to have a HUGE corruption problem, pharaonic building programs everywhere feeding an epic housing bubble financed by heavy debt at the local level... Some industries are already going elsewhere to cheaper countries (like Thailand or Vietnam). China is powerful, but rot has already set in.