Grapple vs Drag who wins?

[Lobolusk]

MY character heoricly rushed into the water in the salt mines and was instantly overwhelmed and grappled by the grey ooze. despite all my attacks and 25 CMD against grapple I was enveloped . the cool headed Centaur character reaches in the ooze grabs the back of my chain shirt and attempts to pull me out of the ozze and water. Now i am at -9 Hp so i have nothing to say about it. how does that work the centaur is clearly attempting to drag me to safety and the ooze is feasting upon my burley ebony body. our dm rules that each had to make a combat maneuver check and the highest won. I was pulled back and forth like a rag doll but rescued (thank you james jacobs for that little surprise) . how would this work by RAW? the ooze is not solid per say like a giant Jerk bear attempting to hold me in his mean spirited arms.

any suggestions?

I apologize my mac "auto corrects" and it looks like i type like i am drunk.

[cranewings]

The ooze is strong enough to hold itself up, so the dragging character in my opinion would have to make a strength check to lift both beings from the water. It isn't a combat maneuver, it is a strength check. I'd also modify it, giving a bonus for size.

Unfortunately, there isn't much of a way to set a difficulty for something like that which isn't just random guessing on the part of the GM, and CMB is STR + SIZE basically, so in my opinion, he did it right, or close enough.

[Tom Baumbach]

Your GM ran it perfectly. That's exactly what combat maneuvers are for.

[Lobolusk]

Also, where is it written the rules for what size creature can grapple what? can i wrestle a giant?

[Happler]

Lobolusk wrote:

Also, where is it written the rules for what size creature can grapple what? can i wrestle a giant?

There are no size limitations for grapple (at least not that I have seen). Yes, everybody has a 5% chance to grapple a giant. (good luck holding it next turn though..)

[Lobolusk]

Happler wrote:

There are no size limitations for grapple (at least not that I have seen). Yes, everybody has a 5% chance to grapple a giant. (good luck holding it next turn though..)

strange why is this in the brutal pugilists class abilities then?

improved Savage Grapple (Ex)

At 5th level, the brutal pugilist takes no penalties to Dexterity, attack rolls, and combat maneuver checks when she has the grappled condition. She also is treated as one size larger than her actual size when determining whether she can grapple or be grappled by another creature.

This ability replaces improved uncanny dodge.

[Happler]

Lobolusk wrote:

strange why is this in the brutal pugilists class abilities then?

improved Savage Grapple (Ex)

At 5th level, the brutal pugilist takes no penalties to Dexterity, attack rolls, and combat maneuver checks when she has the grappled condition. She also is treated as one size larger than her actual size when determining whether she can grapple or be grappled by another creature.

This ability replaces improved uncanny dodge.

Not sure. I just had to reread the grapple section in the Core to see if I missed it. Still could not find it. Bull Rush, overrun and trip all have references to size limits though.

Maybe it is to give them the extra size bonus on CMB/CMD ?

Either that, or it should have been listed in grapple and was missed.

[Atarlost]

I've been grappled by a toddler about two size categories smaller than me. He did not impose the grappled condition. If I were writing the rules grappling someone two size categories larger than you would only impose the entangled condition, and grappling someone three or more size categories or larger would accomplish nothing. The same size limit as other maneuvers have is probably RAI.

[Tom Baumbach]

Lobolusk wrote:

strange why is this in the brutal pugilists class abilities then?

It's relevant when the grab ability is involved.

[zen bullet]

I houseruled that you can grapple someone two size categories bigger than you but you can't do anything other than throw them or keep grappling and try to apply damage...