They're taller than gnomes and halflings.
This makes no sense.
Chuck Norris was taken already. Optimus Prime didn't want the publicity and the Pope said Jesus was out.
It is not that kind of height that they are talking about.
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It is not that kind of height that they are talking about.
And just how would you know anything about dwarven genitals, goblin?
It is not that kind of height that they are talking about.And just how would you know anything about dwarven genitals, goblin?
Dwarf in the Dwarven language means Tripod.
Dwarf in the Dwarven language means Tripod.It is not that kind of height that they are talking about.And just how would you know anything about dwarven genitals, goblin?
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You win the internet, creepy skull thing.
You have to think of it the other way 'round. Dwarf is a much more ancient word than you might think.
Dwarf, meaning a spirit or being, was in use before dwarf meaning "small." The etymology of the word is contested by scholars, but all possible beginnings of the word derive from older words having to do with spirits, destruction, demons, etc.
In time, as dwarves began to be portrayed as small, the word began to be used to signify other small things.
Not the other way around.
Halflings are Tolkien's invention, and they are smaller because he made them so. Gnomes were the invention of a 16th Century Swiss alchemist, who described them as being two spans high. That's twice the width of the spread hand of a grown man. He also is the originator of their dwarf-like penchant for living in the ground.
I'm still curious to know why they're called dwarves. It honestly makes no sense. Shouldn't halflings be dwarves, since they're the smallest?
You have to think of it the other way 'round. Dwarf is a much more ancient word than you might think.
Dwarf, meaning a spirit or being, was in use before dwarf meaning "small." The etymology of the word is contested by scholars, but all possible beginnings of the word derive from older words having to do with spirits, destruction, demons, etc.
In time, as dwarves began to be portrayed as small, the word began to be used to signify other small things.
Not the other way around.
Halflings are Tolkien's invention, and they are smaller because he made them so. Gnomes were the invention of a 16th Century Swiss alchemist, who described them as being two spans high. That's twice the width of the spread hand of a grown man. He also is the originator of their dwarf-like penchant for living in the ground.
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It is not that kind of height that they are talking about.And just how would you know anything about dwarven genitals, goblin?Aaaa there's one now! <Uses awesome hide skill from all this scouting.>
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<Shows druid on the doll.>
All right, I had my fun. Time to change the username before the mods get mad.
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Because the word Dwarf (from Proto-Germanic *dweraz, probably from Proto-Indo-European *dhwergwhos) has roots that are at least two millennia old, while "halfling" was coined around 1800 and Hobbit is from 1895 (Michael Aislabie Denham's "The Denham Tracts", published in 1895 lists the word, but where he got it from, I don't know), and "gnome" was invented by Philippus Aureolus Theophrastus Bombastus von Hohenheim (also known as Paracelsus) who died in 1541.
Dwarf means something like "small human being", Halfling means "one not fully grown" (and Hobbit has no known meaning other than what Tolkien gave it), while Gnome is a name of a "dwarf-like earth-dwelling spirit" (which more or less fits the bill of the race).
Note, neither dwarf nor halfling likely call themselves those words in their own tongue. In Tolkien, dwarves called themselves Khazad (just translated as "dwarf", but may have another meaning), while the elves call them Naugrim ("Stunted People"), Gonnhirrim ("Stone-lords"), and Dornhoth ("Thrawn Folk"). Halflings called themselves Kuduk, meaning "hole-dweller".
Where the hell did you get Dhwergwhos from? It originates from 'Dhwergher' which carries variant meanings: 'gray door, glittering door, glowing door' some sort of legend about a threefold door from which they emerged. A 'gray door' was opened by a balance of light and dark magical energies. A 'Glowing door' implied great wisdom in its opening.
The Dhwergher cover Dwarves, Elves (dark elves:forest and cave) or (light elves of air and sky) , Sidhe, Fairy, Sprites, Trolls, Giants, Ogres, Cyclops.
Ku meaning 'hollow place' on the other hand cover the family tree of Goblins, Kobolds, Gremlins, Barghest, Pooka, Knockers; and both groups are convergant in the species: Hobgoblin which is goblin + Hob(the precursor to elf).
Gnomes are an elemental species (earth) - the others being Salamander (fire), Sylph(air), Nerid(water).
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First of all, I said "probably", and my source is this site
Second of all, where the "hell" did you get yours from? Doing a quick search online, I've seen various posts about your Dhwergher and Ku, but they were all written by you (not saying it is wrong, just that I can't find any references to those doors, and have never heard of them. Norse dwarves certainly didn't come through any glittering doors, but were rather maggots eating Ymir's corpse).
If you do have any sources, I'd like to see them, as I'm interested in these sorts of things.
uM... it's Yellow Dingo. Just don't blink and walk slowly away.
They are called Dwarves because they are not Halflings, or gnomes.
Wikipedia has a much more extensive etymology than any of those, tracing it also back to a proto-Indian language, but showing the most antiquated forms and giving the original meanings as having to do with spirits, destruction, etc, AS I POSTED EARLIER.
I would think the notion of a dwarf as a small spirit to be the more elemental, more likely candidate for the origin, rather than a "door," which likely is a meaning for the same word that cropped up later through association with that word. Especially since the roots of both the idea of the dwarf and the word for dwarf, appear in history long before the Scandinavians got hold of it.
'WHAT HARD TO UNDERSTAND? DWARF DWARF WEE LITTLE HALF THING, DWARF GET DWARF BY PEOPLES AND ORKYTHINGS. DWARF ALWAYS DWARF ONE WAY"
Where the hell did you get Dhwergwhos from?Because the word Dwarf (from Proto-Germanic *dweraz, probably from Proto-Indo-European *dhwergwhos) has roots that are at least two millennia old, while "halfling" was coined around 1800 and Hobbit is from 1895 (Michael Aislabie Denham's "The Denham Tracts", published in 1895 lists the word, but where he got it from, I don't know), and "gnome" was invented by Philippus Aureolus Theophrastus Bombastus von Hohenheim (also known as Paracelsus) who died in 1541.
Dwarf means something like "small human being", Halfling means "one not fully grown" (and Hobbit has no known meaning other than what Tolkien gave it), while Gnome is a name of a "dwarf-like earth-dwelling spirit" (which more or less fits the bill of the race).
Note, neither dwarf nor halfling likely call themselves those words in their own tongue. In Tolkien, dwarves called themselves Khazad (just translated as "dwarf", but may have another meaning), while the elves call them Naugrim ("Stunted People"), Gonnhirrim ("Stone-lords"), and Dornhoth ("Thrawn Folk"). Halflings called themselves Kuduk, meaning "hole-dweller".
Don't know where he got it from; I got it from the Online Etymology Dictionary.
dwarf
O.E. dweorh, dweorg (W.Saxon), duerg (Mercian), "very short human being," from P.Gmc. *dweraz (cf. O.Fris. dwerch, O.S. dwerg, O.H.G. twerg, Ger. Zwerg, O.N. dvergr), perhaps from PIE *dhwergwhos "something tiny," but with no established cognates outside Germanic. The mythological sense is 1770, from German (it seems never to have developed independently in English).
Whilst in this and other ways the dwarfs do at times have dealings with mankind, yet on the whole they seem to shrink from man; they give the impression of a downtrodden afflicted race, which is on the point of abandoning its ancient home to new and more powerful invaders. There is stamped on their character something shy and something heathenish, which estranges them from intercourse with christians. They chafe at human faithlessness, which no doubt would primarily mean the apostacy from heathenism. In the poems of the Mid. Ages, Laurin is expressly set before us as a heathen. It goes sorely against the dwarfs to see churches built, bell-ringing ... disturbs their ancient privacy; they also hate the clearing of forests, agriculture, new fangled pounding-machinery for ore. ["Teutonic Mythology," Jacob Grimm, transl. Stallybrass, 1883]
The shift of the O.E. guttural at the end of the word to modern -f is typical (cf. enough, draft ). O.E. plural dweorgas became M.E. dwarrows, later leveled down to dwarfs. The use of dwarves for the legendary race was popularized by J.R.R. Tolkien. The verb meaning "to render dwarfish" is from 1620s; that of "to cause to look small" is from 1850. Related: Dwarfed; dwarfing. As an adj., from 1590s.
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First of all, I said "probably", and my source is this site
Second of all, where the "hell" did you get yours from? Doing a quick search online, I've seen various posts about your Dhwergher and Ku, but they were all written by you (not saying it is wrong, just that I can't find any references to those doors, and have never heard of them. Norse dwarves certainly didn't come through any glittering doors, but were rather maggots eating Ymir's corpse).
If you do have any sources, I'd like to see them, as I'm interested in these sorts of things.
I pulled my fantasy family tree from a bunch of old dictionaries. Mcgraw Hill and Webster. The meaning of the Words i found by pouring through the Indoeuropean root Appendix at the back of the Mcgraw Hill as well as looking at some very old legends and fairy tales to search out commonalities in concept.
My Fantasy Family Tree: Link
Missing from my family tree is the Barghest which is a sub-branch of Goblin.