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Silent Saturn wrote:We fought a haunted tree once, that we were standing IN. So that was kinda a creature that was the battlemat (sorta)Astral Wanderer wrote:Can you imagine a party of PCs stinging a planet-sized creature with their puny swords?
Like if everybody on Earth stabbed the soil with a sword, the planet would die.I'd love it if there were a monster who had to be represented as the ENTIRE battlemat. Finding tactically advantageous terrain is half the fun--if the terrain WAS the enemy...
Now I feel the need to stat this up myself.
That sounds amazing. I don't know why everyone is assuming that a monster that takes up the whole battlemat would have to be the size of a planet. Really a moderate-size building would work. Or perhaps an evil animate forest? Maybe a lake of ooze? I've got high hopes for Bestiary 4!

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To be fair, I'd give pretty much any pantheon head similar stats (although most would have more than a 1% chance of noticing you if you went into their realm).
I'd also point out that I actually frequently correct people on Cthulhu's status, since many assume he should be a full-on deity, whereas I am of the opinion that he'd be similar in power level to some of the more powerful demon lords/arch-devils/etc.

Alex Smith 908 |

To be fair, I'd give pretty much any pantheon head similar stats (although most would have more than a 1% chance of noticing you if you went into their realm).
I'd also point out that I actually frequently correct people on Cthulhu's status, since many assume he should be a full-on deity, whereas I am of the opinion that he'd be similar in power level to some of the more powerful demon lords/arch-devils/etc.
Okay if you're saying that all gods do that then I have no disagreement. Hence my we need an immortals handbook for pathfinder like good old AD&D. :)

Astral Wanderer |

I don't know why everyone is assuming that a monster that takes up the whole battlemat would have to be the size of a planet.
Because Unicron was in question, and Unicron is planet-size.
Anyway, maybe there's no need for size larger than colossal to have battlemap creatures, if we consider that these guys are "just" gargantuan. Maybe extremely close to the lower limit of colossal, but still "only" gargantuan.On a side note, it hurts just to figure a hit of that sword.

kyrt-ryder |
Silent Saturn wrote:I don't know why everyone is assuming that a monster that takes up the whole battlemat would have to be the size of a planet.Because Unicron was in question, and Unicron is planet-size.
Anyway, maybe there's no need for size larger than colossal to have battlemap creatures, if we consider that these guys are "just" gargantuan. Maybe extremely close to the lower limit of colossal, but still "only" gargantuan.On a side note, it hurts just to figure a hit of that sword.
See, this is why we need a feat similar to 3.5's Knockback. Seriously, one hit from that sword could easily send any medium creature flying like crazy. (That or open up the Ki Throw feat to allow weapon trips.)

gbonehead Owner - House of Books and Games LLC |

When there's mythic rules, there will need to be alterations to take into account what happens when you hit above-Colossal creatures with plain old weapons (even +5 weapons are "plain old weapons" as far as I'm concerned). Heck, such rules might be applicable to high-CR creatures that are Colossal or below.
I don't care how many critical feats you have, you shouldn't be staggering or stunning Godzilla by smacking him with a three-foot chunk of metal unless it's got something special going on. And when Atropus comes drifting down, I don't care if you shoot a million arrows at it, the shouldn't do diddly unless they're some pretty fancy arrows.
Not sure how this would get handled. Can't be DR, because of all those silly abilities that ignore DR. Maybe hardness, maybe crit immunity, but likely something new.
This is definitely an issue, and one I deal with on a regular basis. If a creature is not immune to critical hits, the 30 fighter/20 devish dancer/16 other crap will take him down in 1 round with auto critical hits that are automatically confirmed (who designed that fighter capstone ability, anyways? All critical threats are automatically confirmed? Sheesh!). And right now there isn't much I can do about it without pulling out GM cheese.

Astral Wanderer |

See, this is why we need a feat similar to 3.5's Knockback. Seriously, one hit from that sword could easily send any medium creature flying like crazy. (That or open up the Ki Throw feat to allow weapon trips.)
Well, they have Awesome Blow.
Although, yes, I would have ruled it differently or made it the head of a chain for other feats that blow away with every single attack or the like (not nice to blow a foe out of reach with your first attack when you still have another one or more to roll).
Not sure how this would get handled. Can't be DR, because of all those silly abilities that ignore DR. Maybe hardness, maybe crit immunity, but likely something new.
I too had thought of this issue many times.
Thickness: acts as a damage reduction that applies also to energy or force spells (and maybe some others too) and cannot be overcome, except by rare things, such as a special piercing ray or some weapon property.
taepodong |

Alex Smith 908 wrote:Azathoth was not always a gibbering idiot god, he didn't always need Nyarlathotep waiting hand and foot on him. Azathoth lost any intellect he once had due to a wound from Nodens, a minor god from Celtic myth. He is an expert hunter served by faceless winged creatures, sounds like a 20th level or so ranger archetype.Are you August Derleth in disguise? Because none of that is in Lovecraft's Mythos. Most people prefer Lovecraft's version of the Mythos to Derleth's "Good Elder Gods vs Evil Outer Gods for control of the Earth" BS.
All of the information contained in Alex's quote comes from the Randolph Carter stories. Statement of RC, Silver Key, Though the Gates of the Silver Key and Dream Quest of Unknown Kadath (probably others as well, my dreamlands memories are fuzzy at this point). Nothing he mentioned came from Derleth.

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All of the information contained in Alex's quote comes from the Randolph Carter stories. Statement of RC, Silver Key, Though the Gates of the Silver Key and Dream Quest of Unknown Kadath (probably others as well, my dreamlands memories are fuzzy at this point). Nothing he mentioned came from Derleth.
Actual quote about Azathoth ever being intelligent, Azathoth ever battling Nodens, or Nodens sharing any similarity other than name to the Celtic diety?

taepodong |

taepodong wrote:All of the information contained in Alex's quote comes from the Randolph Carter stories. Statement of RC, Silver Key, Though the Gates of the Silver Key and Dream Quest of Unknown Kadath (probably others as well, my dreamlands memories are fuzzy at this point). Nothing he mentioned came from Derleth.Actual quote about Azathoth ever being intelligent, Azathoth ever battling Nodens, or Nodens sharing any similarity other than name to the Celtic diety?
HA!
Let me address these points in no specific order:Poor reading mistake: I attributed the Celtic thing to you, not Alex.
Fuzzy memory: Nodens actually fought Nyarlathotep in Kadath, and the fight with Azathoth was apparently a Derlethian invention after he organized everyone into Good Guys and Bad Guys (I've not read any Derleth other than the introductions to Lovecraft collections, and maybe a short story here and there).
So, I stand corrected on pretty much everything. Like I said, my memory was pretty hazy, but I remembered Nodens tangling with one of the Big Boys and assumed it was Azathoth (close considering Azathoth/Nyarlathotep's relationship). It's been over fifteen years since I read any of the dreamlands stuff, I don't get into it nearly as much as the uncaring universe sci fi stuff.
Good call, I was mostly out of line.