Is it bad form as a GM to kick a PC when he is down and bleeding with -HPs?


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james maissen wrote:

As a GM you are representing/roleplaying the NPCs, describing the environment and adjudicating the rules.

If a PC is unconscious with -hps, then the NPC acts accordingly. Likewise if a PC is dead and the NPC doesn't know that he's dead or just merely unconscious the NPC acts accordingly.

This is not a video game (to which you allude) nor is it a you vs them game, rather it is a roleplaying game. Have the NPC act in character... that's what you've been asked to do. Have the NPC act accordingly.. don't have it try to suicide to get a kill or mercifully try to avoid one just to do so.. BOTH are wrong as they are looking at YOUR motives rather than the NPC's motives.

-James

I recently lost my newest Dwarf cleric of Moradin to a bunch of salivating ghouls. Was I a little upset? Yes, but the DM played the NPCs according to how they should act when presented with a free meal, rather than chase down the rest of the fleeing party. What really upset me was rolling 'Elf' when I reincarnated! An Elf Cleric of Moradin? Damn pointy ears...


Thomas LeBlanc wrote:
I recently lost my newest Dwarf cleric of Moradin to a bunch of salivating ghouls. Was I a little upset? Yes, but the DM played the NPCs according to how they should act when presented with a free meal, rather than chase down the rest of the fleeing party. What really upset me was rolling 'Elf' when I reincarnated! An Elf Cleric of Moradin? Damn pointy ears...

On the bright side: You have one issue less to worry about: Ghoul Paralysis.


If the party did not totally destroy the body, I would soooooooooooooo bring that dwarf back as a ghoul.


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wolflord wrote:


Am I whining because my character died due to luck? No. My character died because the GM (for whatever reason he likes) decided not to allow my comrades to use creative solutions to save me. His call, but I know that it was NOT fun for anyone in the group.

Here is the thing you are not seeming to grasp man. Based off what you have told us the party did nothing "Creative or otherwise" that would have gotten the swarm off you.


seekerofshadowlight wrote:
Here is the thing you are not seeming to grasp man. Based off what you have told us the party did nothing "Creative or otherwise" that would have gotten the swarm off you.

In his defense, the options his comrades had were a tad... limited.


Midnight_Angel wrote:
seekerofshadowlight wrote:
Here is the thing you are not seeming to grasp man. Based off what you have told us the party did nothing "Creative or otherwise" that would have gotten the swarm off you.
In his defense, the options his comrades had were a tad... limited.

Sometimes there is just nothing you can do. It sucks but death comes with the job. Due to the game seemingly being designed to be very difficult the author(that is who I am assuming was running it) had to do it as written to not mess up the experiment.

I don't think the GM was wrong, but from the info we have I think the PC's were lower level than they should have been.

Shadow Lodge

wolflord's situation was a Kobayashi Maru. There was no saving his character.


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Thomas LeBlanc wrote:
I recently lost my newest Dwarf cleric of Moradin to a bunch of salivating ghouls. Was I a little upset? Yes, but the DM played the NPCs according to how they should act when presented with a free meal, rather than chase down the rest of the fleeing party. What really upset me was rolling 'Elf' when I reincarnated! An Elf Cleric of Moradin? Damn pointy ears...

Very easy solution... go to the druid with a knife and say that you demand a re-roll...

-James


james maissen wrote:
Thomas LeBlanc wrote:
I recently lost my newest Dwarf cleric of Moradin to a bunch of salivating ghouls. Was I a little upset? Yes, but the DM played the NPCs according to how they should act when presented with a free meal, rather than chase down the rest of the fleeing party. What really upset me was rolling 'Elf' when I reincarnated! An Elf Cleric of Moradin? Damn pointy ears...

Very easy solution... go to the druid with a knife and say that you demand a re-roll...

-James

I think Thomas' dwarf story is interesting. First it proves you only have to run faster than the slowest guy. Also, in an odd twist of comical fate, he was killed by ghouls and raised as an elf...meaning he's now immune to ghoul paralysis, and faster.

Some juju at work here mon.


seekerofshadowlight wrote:


Here is the thing you are not seeming to grasp man. Based off what you have told us the party did nothing "Creative or otherwise" that would have gotten the swarm off you.

Gotta agree here... I can't imagine any DM allowing a 'barking dog' to chase away a swarm of bugs... A barking dog as a whole new meat buffet, MAYBE... but just barking to scare the bugs??? Ehhhh no.

You guys were grasping at everything you had... but you simply didn't have enough options...

FYI, I consider that adventure TOTALLY unfair... I have a special animosity for the 'Swarm' rules... Especially the itty bitty ones... and at 2nd level with no gear.... Seriously, what the heck. May as well pull 'Rocks fall, all die'.

Did the DM have a way in mind that you could have survived? Some secret solution that he thought was obvious that nobody else thought of??

Or did he have no idea how to get out of that trap either?

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