Mind Blank vs. True Seeing?

[Dr Doom]

The description of Mind Blank says "The subject is protected from all devices and spells that gather information about the target through divination magic (such as detect evil, locate creature, scry, and see invisible)."

Therefore, if invisible and under the effect of Mind Blank, a See Invisible (divination) spell would not detect the subject. Would someone using a True Seeing (divination) spell be able to 'see' the invisible, Mind Blanked subject?

Opinions?

[Umbral Reaver]

Mind blank will stop true seeing and other divination spells from piercing illusion spells that are cast on your person. It won't work for external illusions like silent image that you cast.

[Chef's Slaad]

Umbral Reaver's answer is pretty good. I just wanted to add that a rule of thumb I use is that generally, a higher level spell trumps a lower level spell. Mind blank is 8th level, true seeing 6th. (for clerics and druids, 5th), so mind blank would trump true seeing.

[Maddigan]

I play Mind Blank trumping True Seeing. There have been arguments about nondetection not working against see invisibility because the latter spell alters the sight of the caster and does not seek information about the caster. But mind blank uses see invisbility as one of the spells it resists, thus it should resist true seeing as well since both spells are divination and alter the sight of the caster.

So a mind blank and invisibility together are a pretty powerful combination.

[Dokalfar]

It's like 5 years Later but :P is there an Oportunity for Cleric to get the Invisibillity spell may with some unique domain spells ?

[Saethori]

You animated a thread to ask... an unrelated question?

This is the kind of thing New Thread is for.

[The Lonely Psychopomp]

Move along, my poor thread, move along.

[Numarak]

And this is what happens when you Reincarnate an old thread -Transmutation- instead of using the ol'good necromancy.

P.S. Check Trickery Domain.

[Dokalfar]

The Problem: I was restricted to post a new Thread (my Work Laptop blocked it) but i could answer in Threads and this one was like the one and Only i could find with nearly a slight coincidence with my Question ;)

Thread closed

And numarak Thx ;)

[Dizi_Izzi]

This thread is super necro'd but I might as well since it has been. I've been reading more into True Seeing and Mind Blank

So like earlier stated -
The description of Mind Blank says "The subject is protected from all devices and spells that gather information about the target through divination magic (such as detect evil, locate creature, scry, and see invisible)."

Here's True Seeing description -
You confer on the subject the ability to see all things as they actually are. The subject sees through normal and magical darkness, notices secret doors hidden by magic, sees the exact locations of creatures or objects under blur or displacement effects, sees invisible creatures or objects normally, sees through illusions, and sees the true form of polymorphed, changed, or transmuted things.

And now here's See Invisibility -
You can see any objects or beings that are invisible within your range of vision, as well as any that are ethereal, as if they were normally visible. Such creatures are visible to you as translucent shapes, allowing you easily to discern the difference between visible, invisible, and ethereal creatures.

See Invisibility specifically states that it is revealing to you that one is invisible or not.

I want to argue that True Seeing lets you see an Invisible Mind Blanked person for the simple reason of True Seeing isn't revealing a creature is invisible like See Invisibility does. They just see you.

If I were to walk into a town with True Seeing on. Everything would appear as it should to me. If there's some guy that's invisible in the middle of the town square, I don't know he's invisible. I just see him normally. I'm not getting information about the fact that he's invisible. He's visible as day to me. And say one of my teammates has See Invisibility on, my teammate would see him and know he's invisible because that information is revealed to him by the spells effects. He would then have to inform that the guy is invisible, for me to even know. Now if the guy were Mind Blanked because it blocks gathering info about him, my teammate's See Invisible would fail because See Invisible specifically calls out the fact that it's informing you if a creature is invisible. But True Seeing does not I just see him as is. I actually find True Seeing to be capable of being a double edged sword because you see things as they really are it doesn't give you an option, and because you have the potential to see things so differently from everyone else. It can be a hindrance as much as it can be helpful.

I mean I feel this is a reasonable argument. I really just want this to be proven wrong so I can drop it.

[Numarak]

True Seeing is from Divination school.

First line of Mind Blank:
"The subject is protected from all devices and spells that gather information about the target through divination magic".

Mind Blank even goes further stating that protects the user from Wish when " used in such a way as to gain information about the target."

There are spells from other schools of magic that can foil Mind Blank, but no Divination spell can.

[Winged1]

GM Fiat, True Seeing is now Transmutation like Darkvision.

That takes care of the RAW now who wants to argue game balance.

[Drahliana Moonrunner]

Mind Blank is an 8th level abjuration spell.

I have no problem with it trumping 5th, 3rd, and lower level spells.